Games consoles and PC architecture have never been more similar. That's one of the reasons most big budget games come out on Xbox/PS4 and PC.
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Games consoles and PC architecture have never been more similar. That's one of the reasons most big budget games come out on Xbox/PS4 and PC.
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I was thinking of yester-year consoles rather than current generations (although Switch springs to mind)
Either way, i'm sure everyone gets my drift
To be fair the Venn diagram of those who play AAA games and only own a Mac hardly even cross. Not only that the most popular games like fortnite, mine craft and pubG are already ported to iOS and therefore ARM.
The sorts of games an average Mac user wants to play doesn’t exactly need a dedicated GPU and that’s who they target.
The sorts of games an average Mac user wants to play doesn’t exactly need a dedicated GPU and that’s who they target.
My Early 2011 MacBook Pro is stuck on 10.13. The urge to buy a new one gets a little stronger each day, but now with the ARM announcement, I think I'll wait the MBP (or even just a normal MacBook depending on features/performance) release with the ARM chips in tbh. Just gotta hope this laptop keeps going for another year or two now. Going strong considering I bought it literally 9 years ago for £900 (edu discount at the time) - it's being a bargain when it comes to value/longevity.Damm! My Late 2013 iMac doesn't make the cut for Big Sur
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That was actually quite an interesting read. Intel will of course tie everybody up in legal battles and fight at the eom as the article suggests.
Still really interesting. I wonder how this landscape looks in 10 years...
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Wait. Did they use someone in a wheelchair to talk about walking and cycling in Apple Maps? Hmmm.
As for ARM. Ok very different architectures so difficult to compare, but I've not seen anything that is even remotely in the same ball part as current I7 or I9.
I know they have said the developers will have to be clearer on privacy, but I really wish they do something about App updates. It's not ok to just say "includes bug fixes and improvements".
Any app where you are forced to upgrade to use it should have a properly summarised change-log.
As for ARM. Ok very different architectures so difficult to compare, but I've not seen anything that is even remotely in the same ball part as current I7 or I9.
I know they have said the developers will have to be clearer on privacy, but I really wish they do something about App updates. It's not ok to just say "includes bug fixes and improvements".
Any app where you are forced to upgrade to use it should have a properly summarised change-log.
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I’m a wheelchair user and wasn’t in the least bit offended by it....I think it was a mobility scooter anyway!
I was thinking of yester-year consoles rather than current generations (although Switch springs to mind)
Either way, i'm sure everyone gets my drift
I'd probably argue that isn't an issue for older consoles. Switch ports of 360/PS3 games are a thing and Apple will have more grunt in their devices.
Only issue I would see would be current and upcoming future generation games but, no one buys a Mac for gaming.
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I’m a wheelchair user and wasn’t in the least bit offended by it....I think it was a mobility scooter anyway!
I think it was a PR stunting marketing to get people talking. They obviously find it funny.
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Yeah thats what I suspect. Sure it may be okay for the apple arcade games, but I doubt anyone will really be playing them. Its like how they bought gaming to the Apple TV, but barely anyone uses it (that i know of anyway)
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I like how apple have gone back to their old colour pallet for big sur. It looks really nice!
Apple have hired all the best UI designers.
Apple have hired all the best UI designers.
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I think one of the interesting things will be what can your computer now do whilst it's "off" as the A processors are always on. Probably things like background downloading whilst in sleep.
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same as ios and ipados but with weird shading affects... Not a fan at all.
But I guess they're just making all the OS' more and more like to each other. In a few years there won't even be a need to get a macbook pro cause the ipad will cover most use cases
I think it was a PR stunting marketing to get people talking. They obviously find it funny.
I laughed my ass off when I noticed this. Had to jump in here to make sure I wasn't the only one thinking it was a bit ironic
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So Rosetta doesn’t support apps that virtualise x86_64 platforms, so no support for running Windows via VMWare, Parallels or any other software.
Also confirmed there’s no Bootcamp equivalent. Colour me surprised, amazed they are willing to alienate a lot of users like that
Also confirmed there’s no Bootcamp equivalent. Colour me surprised, amazed they are willing to alienate a lot of users like that
Couldn’t the makers of VMware or Parallels not recompile or rebuild their apps to work natively on ARM? Sure that’s a big ask but there is decent demand for that kind of software and they can charge good money for it.
At the end of the day Rosetta 2 is only meant to be a stop gap like it was before.
Boot camp isn’t surprising as they are no longer running x86. Perhaps when windows for arm is more mature it might come back but you’ll still get the rubbish experience windows currently offers on arm. Priorities and all that I guess.
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Unless there is some law against it, I can't see why VMware and Parallels won't make ARM versions of their software. Especially if Boot Camp is out of the window, their software sales will increase as it'll be the only way to run Windows programs.
Another thing I was wondering about - how will this move affect computer configurations? Will there be options like 4-core, 6-core, 8-core A12Z processors and things or will it just be one-size-fits-all A12Z processor?
Another thing I was wondering about - how will this move affect computer configurations? Will there be options like 4-core, 6-core, 8-core A12Z processors and things or will it just be one-size-fits-all A12Z processor?
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I remember VMworld 2019 having ESXi running on ARM, although not heard much since then I would suspect that the major consumer level / homelab style apps like Fusion etc will be redeveloped as well.
https://virtualg.uk/esxi-7-on-raspberry-pi-arm/