The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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They probably will, but you reduce their effectiveness, they're lower in the replies, if some clone account DMs you it becomes more apparent if the account it has cloned usually has a blue checkmark.


Why? The effective thing is surely the verification aspect not the ego/status aspect?


It will still be a nice visible tag, I don't really follow your point here - the court case you're referring to was about impersonation no? And the verification is what was brought in to address that and what will still exist following this change.
I don't think you're quite grasping it.

The reason they verify at the moment is to protect themselves (Twitter) from legal issues.
They started doing it because someone was impersonated and took Twitter to court, and this was the least effort way to cover their backs.

Now if they're going to verify that people are who they say they are, and retain that protection (for twitter and the general user base) having the "we've verified this user is the real Elon Misk" tag in the profile of the user won't cut it, it needs to be visible with the name so it's obvious as soon as you look at anything they've tweeted.
 
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No it doesn't say they are trustworthy is the sense you are claiming but it does mean or should mean they don't post spam or just completely made up **** if they are a journalists.

But it doesn't signify they are journalists, plenty of non-journalists have blue checkmarks, if you want to see whether someone is a journalist or not then you'd need to check their profile description... something you'll still be able to do!
 
No idea what accounts you follow but majority of those I follow do reply and interact with their followers; Musk himself replies to loads of followers, even brought Twitter because of having conversations with his followers.

Twitter and Facebook are not the same. They are both social media companies but they do not provide the same services. Its as simple as that.
Actual worthy information is minute compared to what it mostly is, ****-talking.

I don't see it. Maybe you are using Twitter wrong. The accounts i follow for FinTwit are extremely useful.

To be fair I'm very biased against social media nowadays (Twitter especially, though admittedly it is observantly entertaining on occasion) so quite unlikely that I will ever see it as anything else.

I only see it when i go on to a page talking politics. It's a cesspit, but i stay away from it. Financial Twitter which i use it for is perfectly pleasant, people disagree but they don't throw mud like the people involved in tribal politics do.

When i've strayed into other arenas like classic cars or something, its the same, its fine, perfectly pleasant. It's just like this forum really, 90% of it people getting along, its on some threads in GD and speakers corners that seem to bring out the worst in humanity. But perhaps that is a reflection on us rather than the tool
 
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I don't think you're quite grasping it.

The reason they verify at the moment is to protect themselves (Twitter) from legal issues.
They started doing it because someone was impersonated and took Twitter to court, and this was the least effort way to cover their backs.

I don't think you're grasping that that problem and potential legal issue isn't confined to people with blue checkmarks and the verification aspect will still be there.

Now if they're going to verify that people are who they say they are, and retain that protection (for twitter and the general user base) having the "we've verified this user is the real Elon Misk" tag in the profile of the user won't cut it, it needs to be visible with the name so it's obvious as soon as you look at anything they've tweeted.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here as the checkmark will still be visible, I've not seen anything to suggest that anything is changing w.r.t the visibility or placement of it, they're simply expanding the coverage of it.

Elon already gets impersonated regularly (both for jokes and scams) under the current system by other blue checkmark accounts.
 
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I don't see it. Maybe you are using Twitter wrong. The accounts i follow for FinTwit are extremely useful.

I think that might be part of the issue here, people are commenting when they don't really use Twitter or understand it particularly well. Perhaps they log on to check on a news story or click on an embedded tweet here if they're coming out with things like "it's a cesspit" etc.. Maybe unaware of things like lists etc.. or they're just following news accounts or signed up to rant at bad orange man etc..

There seems to be a general belief that the issues with impersonation etc.. only apply to famous blue check types when there are plenty of accounts with thousands of followers out there in various different twitter communities and they have issues with impersonators etc.. too. If there is a legal risk re: impersonation then it perhaps applies just as much to say a prominent finance person without a blue checkmark as it does to some blue checkmark type with a similar or perhaps even smaller following.

The notion that blue checkmark types are trustworthy was a bizarre one too, it's simply a verification badge that has turned into a bit of a status symbol too.
 
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I thought it already was a cesspit?

I don't find it a cesspit on the whole. I'm sure a lot of verified account holders do and maybe some of their followers that read replies on their posts. I can simply ignore that if it isn't aimed at me. None of what Musk is suggesting would stop those replies though.

Again the best way to stop spam, bots and some scammers would be to force every account to be verified with ID. If people want to pay for an edit button or to put up longer videos fine, it won't do a damned thing to stop bots, spam, scammers or abusive posters though.
 
I don't see it. Maybe you are using Twitter wrong. The accounts i follow for FinTwit are extremely useful.
But we're talking Twitter as a whole rather than everyone's bubble on the platform; as a whole, Twitter is mostly ****-talking, it isn't some marketing bulletin board.

Twitter and Facebook are not the same. They are both social media companies but they do not provide the same services. Its as simple as that.
What does Facebook offer than Twitter doesn't?
Media/photos is about the only thing i can see that Facebook does better.
 
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I think that might be part of the issue here, people are commenting when they don't really use Twitter or understand it particularly well. Perhaps they log on to check on a news story or click on an embedded tweet here if they're coming out with things like "it's a cesspit" etc.. Maybe unaware of things like lists etc.. or they're just following news accounts or signed up to rant at bad orange man etc..

There seems to be a general belief that the issues with impersonation etc.. only apply to famous blue check types when there are plenty of accounts with thousands of followers out there in various different twitter communities and they have issues with impersonators etc.. too.

Seems so, i know that cesspit element exists, but i use Twitter a lot, i use it more than OCUK, i think it's a brilliant platform, with huge potential and power. The FinTwit side of things is awesome, its the hive mind, collectively more intelligent that the individual. It's a shame that some people only use it for political headlines and then think the whole thing is rubbish, its just not the case
 
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I don't find it a cesspit on the whole. I'm sure a lot of verified account holders do and maybe some of their followers that read replies on their posts. I can simply ignore that if it isn't aimed at me. None of what Musk is suggesting would stop those replies though.

Again the best way to stop spam, bots and some scammers would be to force every account to be verified with ID. If people want to pay for an edit button or to put up longer videos fine, it won't do a damned thing to stop bots, spam, scammers or abusive posters though.

They need to sort the bots out, i don't think you'll find many people disagreeing with that. As a content provider to thousands of accounts, it must get extremely frustrating. Musk has already talked about the spam issue at length, i'm sure they are working on it and plan on doing something about it.
 
But we're talking Twitter as a whole rather than everyone's bubble on the platform; as a whole, Twitter is mostly ****-talking, it isn't some marketing bulletin board.

But it isn't. Go into the other bubbles...health and fitness, cars, cooking, reading, films, music etc etc...
It's not a cesspit. It's generally fine, like i said, it's like this forum.
Spam/bot account don't count obvs

What does Facebook offer than Twitter doesn't?
Media/photos is about the only thing i can see that Facebook does better.

Just how it's all set up really, 140 characters? hashtags?

The incentive structure is totally different
 
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If this is true its not verification at all but just paying for features.


Elon Musk, the new owner of Twitter, is throwing everything against the wall to make more money at the social media company.
Since closing his $44 billion acquisition of Twitter last week, Mr. Musk and his advisers have discussed adding paid direct messages — which would let users send private messages to high-profile users — to the service, according to two people with knowledge of the matter and internal documents viewed by The New York Times.
They have also talked about adding “paywalled” videos, which would mean that certain videos could not be viewed unless users paid a fee, these people said. And they have discussed reviving Vine, a onetime short-form video platform, which could attract a younger audience coveted by advertisers.
This week, Mr. Musk moved to make money from Twitter’s “blue check” verification program, a method of making sure users are who they say they are. The billionaire announced that the program, which is currently free, will be rolled into the “Twitter Blue” subscription service, which will offer enhanced features for a monthly $8 fee.

The frenzy of product development underlines the pressure that Mr. Musk, the world’s richest man, is under to deliver immediate results — and returns — on the technology industry’s largest-ever leveraged buyout. To finance his Twitter deal, he loaded the company with $13 billion in debt, putting it on the hook to pay more than $1 billion annually in interest alone.
But last year Twitter had less than $1 billion in cash flow, partly because of a one-time charge, meaning it generated less money than what it now owes its lenders annually. The company was also unprofitable for eight of the last 10 years. So, to make ends meet, Mr. Musk must boost Twitter’s revenue or cut costs — or do both.
Mr. Musk has already ordered job cuts across Twitter. On Wednesday, a Twitter employee posted a link to a “severance calculations” document in a company Slack channel, noting that there was a “master list” that included the number 3,738, according to a copy of the message seen by The Times.

If that figure refers to people who could be laid off, and if the number holds, it will amount to about 50 percent of Twitter’s 7,500-person work force. Interns were excluded from the list, according to the copy of the message. Some of Mr. Musk’s advisers held a conference call on Wednesday evening to try to finalize the number of cuts, according to internal memos and calendar entries viewed by The Times.
Mr. Musk is also trying to minimize Twitter’s infrastructure costs. In meetings with engineers, his advisers have proposed saving from $1 million to $3 million in infrastructure costs a day, said three people familiar with the talks. Lieutenants are also looking to make deep cuts to Twitter’s “Redbird” organization, which consists of platform and infrastructure teams, the people said.

Twitter faces difficulties earning advertising revenue under Mr. Musk, who has said he may loosen content rules on the service. On Thursday, General Mills and Audi’s U.S. division said they had paused advertising on Twitter because of concerns about content moderation on the platform.
Mr. Musk and representatives for Twitter did not respond to requests for comment. Bloomberg, The Washington Post, Axios and Jane Wong, an independent researcher, reported some details of the company’s plans earlier.
In an onstage interview at the TED Conference in April, Mr. Musk said owning Twitter “is not a way to make money” and added, “I don’t care about the economics at all.”
Since then, however, the global economy has tipped toward recession, inflation and interest rates have soared and the digital advertising market — which Twitter relies on for revenue — has pulled back. Mr. Musk’s own fortune is tied up largely in shares of his electric automaker, Tesla, whose stock has plummeted.

In an attempt to spin up new lines of business at Twitter, over the past week Mr. Musk and his advisers have dispatched product teams to brainstorm any and all ideas that could quickly bring in money, according to 10 current and former employees and internal documents discussing the matter. Three people who have met with Mr. Musk or his lieutenants said the focus was largely on how to increase revenue.
One product team is working on paid direct messaging, which appears to be focused on Very Important Tweeters, or V.I.T.s, on the network, said the two people with knowledge of the work and according to the internal documents. According to the product mock-ups seen by The Times, users would be able to send private messages to their favorite celebrities for a nominal fee. A fee structure, which had not been set in stone, could be as little as a few dollars per direct message.

In early prototypes, a Twitter user was depicted asking the musician Post Malone about his favorite records. Such paid messages could appear in a special area of the direct message inbox, and the celebrities would have to choose to receive them. Twitter would most likely take a cut of the fees, according to the documents.

The plans for paid direct messaging remain fluid, and there is no guarantee that the product will launch, the people with knowledge of the matter said.
Product teams are also working on “paywalled” videos, an idea similar to offerings from platforms like OnlyFans, which hosts content for creators in the adult content industry. Under this plan, Twitter might ask users to pay a fee to watch a video, splitting the revenue with the creators who post the content, two people familiar with the project said.
Mr. Musk has also shown interest in Vine, the looping video app that was popular among young creators before Twitter shut it down in 2016. He ran a Twitter poll on Sunday asking his followers whether or not he should bring it back, and he has commanded internal teams to examine the code to see if reviving it is possible, two people familiar with the conversations said.
Mr. Musk’s new Twitter Blue subscription service, which will give subscribers the check mark next to their username, is aiming to begin on Nov. 7 in the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, according to internal documents seen by The Times. Subscribers would not need their identities authenticated to get the check mark, the documents suggested.
The documents also noted that there would be “an interim period where the check would be on both Blue subscribers accounts and previously verified users.” Eventually, verified accounts that do not pay for Twitter Blue will lose the check marks. There are more than 423,000 verified accounts on Twitter.
The documents also outlined plans for “government accounts to keep their Verified badge without paying for Blue.” Some features for the subscription service already announced by Mr. Musk, including higher rankings for subscribers’ replies and the ability to upload longer videos, would not begin on Nov. 7, according to the documents. A European rollout was also planned, with the Twitter Blue team having worked to align the product with the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation privacy law.

The Blue team was told to get the product ready for introduction by next week or face being fired. Esther Crawford, one of the product managers, shared a photo of herself on Wednesday in a sleeping bag and wearing an eye mask on the floor of Twitter’s headquarters in San Francisco.
“When your team is pushing round the clock to make deadlines sometimes you #SleepWhereYouWork,” she tweeted.
 
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I'm just lolling a bit at the "pay to dm a celeb" idea, especially if Musk and co haven't even asked celebs if they're willing to take part in it, most celebs presumably have DM's off except for people they follow and probably won't be happy with Musk bypassing that (and legally for a lot of them it could be a huge issue*), and for celebs who do want to earn money from such messages there are already other ways to do it.

Basically it's a low tier cameo at best**, at worst it's another way to drive the high profile users off twitter.

Again some of this stuff if Musk had announced it when he took over might have lessened the worries of the users a bit, but it feels like it's something he's scrambling to do now after buying it, an actively using it as a way to try and find a reason to fire people, or force them to quit (80+ hour work weeks are not something anyone should be doing, let alone at the whim of an idiot who has bought your company without plan and is aiming to fire people and doesn't care who).


*Any author or screenwriter for example has to be extremely careful because of the risk of "being given story ideas", to the point that many will hire a PA or similar to filter their mail to remove such things before they see it, and some state very clearly that the fastest way to be blocked by them on twitter/to have their emails blackholed is to ever send them an unsolicited story idea, or even joke about one.

**A service that from memory allows the celeb to set their rate, so minor actor from Star Wars can charge a lot less than Mark Hamill.
 
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Musk knows botfarms will happily pay for the blue ticks.

It's not like people are buying follows from bots for free is it.

Musk just thought how can we cash in on the bots whilst creating 2 tier userbase, no tick lol pleb no one cares about.


no doubt twitter will let people block comments etc from "unverified users" aka plebs
 
I wonder what will happen to the ability of celebs being able to see just other celebs replies to their posts. I never knew it was a thing, but blue tickers can have it just show other blue tickers replies, making it easier to remove the junk peasant posts, and reply to famous people that quote them or mention them.

Flood the place with blue tickers and it'll remove that ability
 
Seems firing half the workforce without 60 days notice in California is a no no and will leave Twitter on the hook for $500 fine a day per person + still have to pay their salary + still have to give them medical benefits. He would have been better off giving them 60 days notice and getting 60 days work out of them. Its not like he hasn't closed California offices before, he will know this and so will Twitter lawyers.

 
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