The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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It's a grand idea really, American companies have a load people working who are actually useless 20% actually do good work and the rest don't do a great deal.
 
No the point is you seems to be attracted to these "alpha" style males, just as Trump is with his dictators and despots, which is why I said "Trumpy".

Why do you keep saying "attracted" to? It's weird and slightly homophobic seeing as you're using it in a way to try and belittle/mock. I'm attracted to women though cheers.

Why do you find that you have such a strong desire to attack these "alpha" style males, especially from behind a keyboard? A lot of guys on here just come across as insecure about their own masculinity, and like I've said in the past it reeks of SDE. Elon takes risks and does things he feels are correct even when faced with an army of people telling him he's wrong, I cannot imagine someone like you doing anything that required overcoming a bit of adversity; let alone this level of adversity.
 
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Why do you keep saying "attracted" to? It's weird and slightly homophobic seeing as you're using it in a way to try and belittle/mock. I'm attracted to women though cheers.

Why do you find that you have such a strong desire to attack these "alpha" style males, especially from behind a keyboard? A lot of guys on here just come across as insecure about their own masculinity, and like I've said in the past it reeks of SDE. Elon takes risks and does things he feels are correct even when faced with an army of people telling him he's wrong, I cannot imagine someone like you doing anything that required overcoming a bit of adversity; let alone this level of adversity.

Hmm I'm the one that is insecure, I think you might be projecting here. Again you are the one who keeps defending and admiring (is that a better description?) these alpha style men in numerous threads. You are kind of known for it.

I don't attack "alpha" males for being that. I think Musk is being a ******* idiot atm and appears to have some kind of god complex going on. Its amusing when people get themselves into trouble by believing their own hype. He has done this to himself, overpaid, tried everything to get out of the deal and failed, has then gone in like a bull in a china shop and its all playing out on the very platform he has bought. Its like watching a car crash in slow motion and everyone slows down and looks when you see a car crash on the motorway.
 
It's a grand idea really, American companies have a load people working who are actually useless 20% actually do good work and the rest don't do a great deal.

Or, it could be that no one is motivated enough to work hard for these companies for a paltry salary, whilst the executives bleed the company dry of money for doing very little.
 
Do you think Jordan Peterson is intelligent?

He is intelligent.

He’s also, outside of his academic career, a conman who exploits the anxiety and insecurities of vulnerable and disenfranchised young men. Purely for personal gain.

In my view this makes him a dumb persons idea of a smart person, but hey, what do I know?

It’s funny really. The kind of men that these poor gullible saps so often think of as being “alpha”, almost always aren’t anything of the sort. They’re usually insecure little kids who overcompensate for whatever is lacking in their lives with a heavy dose of misogyny.

I expect it’s precisely that misogyny that some people mistake for being “alpha”.
 
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I agree with Gordy.

There is no doubt Peterson is intelligent.

Problem often comes with intelligent people they fail to understand their bounds, assume their intelligence will carry them through and they will by default make correct decisions when they need to take more time and think more clearly.

I don't think Elon and twitter could demonstrate that any more clearly.
I also think Elon will probably fix most of the damage he has done to twitter and quite quickly. I suspect however he will actually seek expert counsel into order to do this, but in private and not in public.
I have seen a few CEOs do this in my time and it will work out fine I am sure. Slowly reversing and just dropping things they publicly say in quiet as they are advised.

Whether Elon is going to be able to fix the equation of loading lots of debt onto twitter, opening it up to far more free speech and being able to increase income and reduce expenditure to make the books balance, I am far less certain of.
 
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Do you know what that chart tells me? The same thing polls tell everyone at every election. People with a collage /post grad degrees tend to lean left and vote Democratic. If it was just about the business you'd expect the opposite of that chart as the Republicans sell themselves as low tax, low regulation, even if that isn't strictly true.

But the comparison is to other tech firms there, you're missing the point a bit if you think it's about generally leaning left and having a college education, that's a given the point illustrated is the extent of that relative to other firms. There's a huge gulf between say liberal centrist or center left voting democrat and leftist/progressive types.

That chart is a subset of the people who actually made donations (most don't), at Twitter it's skewed waaay further than a lot of other tech firms.

Even Tesla is only 6.1% and he's built that up over years. So good luck changing the cooperate culture.

But the corporate culture at Tesla likey is radically different to old Twitter, I'm not sure why given that you're saying "good luck changing the corporate culture" lots of the most progressive/leftist types have likely jumped, he's changing it already, he's going to have regular centrist or center-left tech people left behind who want to focus on making a good product.
 
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I agree with Gordy.

There is no doubt Peterson is intelligent.

Problem often comes with intelligent people they fail to understand their bounds, assume their intelligence will carry them through and they will by default make correct decisions when they need to take more time and think more clearly.

I don't think Elon and twitter could demonstrate that any more clearly.
I also think Elon will probably fix most of the damage he has done to twitter and quite quickly. I suspect however he will actually seek expert counsel into order to do this, but in private and not in public.
I have seen a few CEOs do this in my time and it will work out fine I am sure. Slowly reversing and just dropping things they publicly say in quiet as they are advised.

Whether Elon is going to be able to fix the equation of loading lots of debt onto twitter, opening it up to far more free speech and being able to increase income and reduce expenditure to make the books balance, I am far less certain of.

My two pennies whilst you all squabble about who's the alpha or whatever you're talking about.... ;)

This is an excellent point. Both Peterson and Musk are undoubtedly intelligent in any standardised measure (eg IQ, domain knowledge or success), so anyone suggesting otherwise is being a bit silly or emotional (ie because I don't like you, you're not intelligent).

The real danger with anyone here is back to the greek philosophers and Plato's republic. They tried to design society to avoid things that cloud judgement - eg too little wealth makes you desperate and greedy, too much makes you reckless and care less about impacts. Latter is certainly a risk that Musk must bear...

I'd also add that he's an engineer - and an extremely capable one at that, but engineers will tell you how to make things (like the atom bomb) - a humanities student will tell you why it might not be a good idea..... he will likewise have a blindside here.

Everything he's done so far is 'logical' - ie I've read countless studies (eg Google's Project Aristotle) which have shown how a very small number of 'hyper performers' really run companies and they always carry huge amounts of average/plodders, so an engineer mind would logically conclude that if you're short of cash, then just get rid of the 'baggage' and you're sorted. However, people are not logical and so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I suspect he will fix the engineering challenges (eg twitter will radically increase their development speeds, attract more users, accelerate speed, balance income/cost etc), but whether he can win the public debate, the emotional side of leading etc I don't know.

One thing that should be considered is that Twitter was a car crash before he took it over - as Dorsey had admitted and given up on, so the folks at twitter's opinions on Musk should be taken with just as big a pinch of salt, as the 'beloved' company they worked for was a lame duck....
 
Looks like Trump is coming back if the poll is anything to go by. Six hours left but the voting has really slowed down.

I voted yes. Let him back on, he causes mayhem, he'll get more and more deranged as the special counsel moves forward and his insane rants will have advertisers panicking. Yes he will bring traffic but it won't be long before he puts Twitter and Musk in an impossible position.
 
But the comparison is to other tech firms there, you're missing the point a bit if you think it's about generally leaning left and having a college education, that's a given the point illustrated is the extent of that relative to other firms. There's a huge gulf between say liberal centrist or center left voting democrat and leftist/progressive types.

That chart is a subset of the people who actually made donations (most don't), at Twitter it's skewed waaay further than a lot of other tech firms.



But the corporate culture at Tesla likey is radically different to old Twitter, I'm not sure why given that you're saying "good luck changing the corporate culture" lots of the most progressive/leftist types have likely jumped, he's changing it already, he's going to have regular centrist or center-left tech people left behind who want to focus on making a good product.

What are you talking about. Look at the figures. Google 96 % Facebook 94.5%. 13 of the 18 companies listed are in the 90s.

So now you can tell from that list which companies in the 90s have either "liberal centrist or center left voting democrat and leftist/progressive types" wow there is no end to your talents. Twitter is a social media company, Tesla is a car company, of course their corporate culture is different but radically different? Tesla is based in Texas yet still 94% of its staff donate to Democrats, not Republicans.

This just sounds like one of your rants against "woke" to me. You are making these figures tell a story that you want it to be.

 
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