The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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dowie said:
It's not clear what you're saying here; if what is "once removed from government power"?



What relevance does that have re: Twitter moderation decisions? Either campaign can flag up stuff that breaches twitter policy. AFAIK Neither party is claiming that is a 1st Amendment breach if the campagin/staff of the incumbent does it nor have I seen that from commentators (if anything that would be unbalanced to only allow it for one side) - if they are then pls could you link to the relevant tweet/discussion or article as I'd like to see the reasoning. Or is it just something you've come up with by yourself?

1st Amendment concerns arise more with things like a newspaper losing access to its account for reporting a public interest story and the press secretary, that's the sort of thing that gets politicians concerned and has potential for how they then deal with tech companies going forwards:

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Elon seems to be talking about it here.





 
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Demon said:
I said Russian collusion, i.e. the charge against Trump. I know there was some (unspecified) amount of Russian Interefence..

I'm not saying every decision is wrong, I'm only saying that you will sometimes get it wrong if you do subjectively approach the decisions.
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Again his campaign had contact with Russian agents, his own son and son in law attended a meeting with Russian agents who promised dirt on Hilary. That is aside from Russia hacking DNC and passing emails to Wikileaks to release just before the election, something Trump was made aware of through the likes of Roger Stone and his contacts with Assange.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Again his campaign had contact with Russian agents, his own son and son in law attended a meeting with Russian agents who promised dirt on Hilary. That is aside from Russia hacking DNC and passing emails to Wikileaks to release just before the election, something Trump was made aware of through the likes of Roger Stone and his contacts with Assange.
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The same report that found (some) Russian Interference said "Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election"

Sure, there was plenty of 'stuff' going on, remember, I don't support Trump so I'm not here to defend him in the slightest, but you can't take one part of the report to back up your subjective defense without all of it.
 
dowie said:
But that's the Biden team getting some nudes removed AFAIK.
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Then why is he mentioning government? Biden wasn't in government. Either you are confused or Elon is confused or maybe its both.

Still not clear why you think this is dodgy ground? Surely it would be dodgy for one team to have access and the other team to not?
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If Biden's administration was now asking for tweets to be removed because they were unflattering that would be a problem and likely a 1st amendment issue. So Trump's administration asking for tweets to be removed that were unflattering would be the same yes? Maybe it isn't fair because one private organisation has access to something the other, which is the executive branch, doesn't but that is the 1st amendment for you.
 
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Demon said:
The same report that found (some) Russian Interference said "Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election"

Sure, there was plenty of 'stuff' going on, remember, I don't support Trump so I'm not here to defend him in the slightest, but you can't take one part of the report to back up your subjective defense without all of it.
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Robert Mueller was speaking from a prosecutable perspective. So was there enough evidence to get a conviction if taken to trial. That doesn't mean there wasn't evidence.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Then why is he mentioning government? Biden wasn't in government. Either you are confused or Elon is confused or maybe its both.
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I'm confused as to why you're asking me about something Elon has tweeted in response to me asking you a question about a claim you've made, I can't answer on behalf of Elon.

Colonel_Klinck said:
If Biden's administration was now asking for tweets to be removed because they were unflattering that would be a problem and likely a 1st amendment issue.
So Trump's administration asking for tweets to be removed that were unflattering would be the same yes? Maybe it isn't fair because one private organisation has access to something the other, which is the executive branch, doesn't but that is the 1st amendment for you.
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So now it's the same but previously you said it was different? It's not clear at all what you're trying to argue here, you've kind of repeated the assertion again in your final sentence but not really addressed the why. It's just some vague claim, something about the executive branch and... therefore 1st amendment.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
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and from this story it seems Elon has proved that Trump's administration asked Twitter to remove tweets so violating the 1st Amendment as they were an actual branch of government at the time, unlike Biden's campaign which was a private organisation.

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Has Elon said anything about the Trump adminstration/white house doing it or as he only posted about the Biden thing?
 
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dowie said:
I'm confused as to why you're asking me about something Elon has tweeted in response to me asking you a question about a claim you've made, I can't answer on behalf of Elon.
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Clearly.

In the tweets from Matt Taibbi it says "requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden Campaign" so for the last time, the Trump White House is the executive branch of government and so it asking Twitter to remove Tweets is a problem. The Biden campaign isn't a branch of government so its not a 1st amendment issue. If this happened now with the roles reversed then it would be a problem for Biden and not Trump.

You claimed early that the 1st amendment issue was only to do with the NYP and I was making up the rest. As Elon's tweets show it isn't only about the NYP. Does that make it clear now?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
In the tweets from Matt Taibbi it says "requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden Campaign" so for the last time, the Trump White House is the executive branch of government and so it asking Twitter to remove Tweets is a problem. The Biden campaign isn't a branch of government so its not a 1st amendment issue. If this happened now with the roles reversed then it would be a problem for Biden and not Trump.
You claimed early that the 1st amendment issue was only to do with the NYP and I was making up the rest. As Elon's tweets show it isn't only about the NYP. Does that make it clear now?
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No, I mean all you've done is repeat the argument and then added in a tweet from Elon. Is Elon's Twitter replies what you're looking to now for guidance on the constitution? Was that the best you could come up with?

I think you're splitting hairs over this executive branch thing when it's just flagging things up for content moderation, the bigger issues surely are things like what is the content in question, was there bias towards one side etc. Also you're doing that thing where you try and paraphrase me and make up some spurious claim on my behalf, again!
 
dowie said:
No, I mean all you've done is repeat the argument and then added in a tweet from Elon. Is Elon's Twitter replies what you're looking to now for guidance on the constitution? Was that the best you could come up with?

I think you're splitting hairs over this executive branch thing when it's just flagging things up for content moderation, the bigger issues surely are things like what is the content in question, was there bias towards one side etc. Also you're doing that thing where you try and paraphrase me and make up some spurious claim on my behalf, again!
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Oh no you don't

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Can't believe what I'm reading in here

As we know tech companies like Twitter are overrun with Democrat sympathizers, and they have been activley working with Democrats to control the flow of information during the 2020 election. Their goal was to censor the Hunter laptop until election as they knew it would give Biden bad press. They locked out the then Press Secretery, Kayleigh McEnany because she tweeted about the laptop, and twitter staff joked “At least pretend to care for the next 20 days.” ie. until the election is over. At least that Democrat Khanna spoke some sense in saying that censoring the story would be a bad idea.

Biden's team have been asking Twitter to "review certain tweets" of Conservatives like James Woods, which of course they did.

We know the FBI were meeting weekly with the "safety and disinformation" team to control the narrative.

This was Day 1, Elon released 1000's of data/emails to the journo, we'll see more tonight regarding shadow banning and manipulated follower counts

Forget left or right, republicans seemed to be in on it too, but because Twitter is full of lefties they favoured Democrats.

The usual clowns in here will bizzarely claim there was no bias or censorship
 
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tang0 said:
Can't believe what I'm reading in here

As we know tech companies like Twitter are overrun with Democrat sympathizers, and they have been activley working with Democrats to control the flow of information during the 2020 election. Their goal was to censor the Hunter laptop until election as they knew it would give Biden bad press. They locked out the then Press Secretery, Kayleigh McEnany because she tweeted about the laptop, and twitter staff joked “At least pretend to care for the next 20 days.” ie. until the election is over. At least that Democrat Khanna spoke some sense in saying that censoring the story would be a bad idea.

Biden's team have been asking Twitter to "review certain tweets" of Conservatives like James Woods, which of course they did.

We know the FBI were meeting weekly with the "safety and disinformation" team to control the narrative.

This was Day 1, Elon released 1000's of data/emails to the journo, we'll see more tonight regarding shadow banning and manipulated follower counts

Forget left or right, republicans seemed to be in on it too, but because Twitter is full of lefties they favoured Democrats.

The usual clowns in here will bizzarely claim there was no bias or censorship
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Then stop reading The Donald. We've told you time and again that place rots your brain.

I do love the "overrun" statement. Maybe if more collage educated people were Republicans rather than Democrat then more Republicans would work in tech. Maybe the question you should be asking is why do highly educated people tend to lean left rather than right.
 
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tang0 said:
Maybe it's the same reason why conservative actors can't get parts for films. Their online history gets scrutinized, and if you've said the "wrong" thing, or follow the "wrong" people you get blacklisted.

Maybe it's the same for tech?


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Yes this is all true if you live in made up land.

Of course James Woods can't get roles. No one will go see his films. The same with that stupid actor that was in andromeda TV series. People won't go see anything he is in. No one will pay to have that actor jn their production. It's rather simple.

If you can't accept that, then brain rot has set in.
 
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