The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Colonel_Klinck said:
Forcing people to pay $8 a month if they want to vote on outcomes of polls that Elon puts up and that are only seen by people who follow him and are on the platform in that 24 hours is just daft. 99% of Twitter users won't pay and the majority don't follow him either. Though without them Twitter is finished. Hopefully with him stepping back this silliness will end.

If you really want the opinion of Twitter users push the poll to every user and at the top of their feed.
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It's not forcing people to pay $8. It's giving people who value the platform more than others the vote to decide its future. If this was Netflix and there was a free service with ads. And those users wanted it turned into a porn platform, and the paid users wanted to keep it a film/tv series platform? You don't think the people paying should be able to decide its future?

Twitter is just a communication platform, it has 250m/300m people on it, it isn't some global communications network, 90% of the world don't use it.

Edit. I will say, i don't pay for Twitter, but i do care about its future as i use it a lot. I can understand the ideas around paying members deciding it future, thats correct. But i also feel left out with having no say. Generally speaking i do have faith in the paying users to keep the platform going in the right direction.

But they might not keep it as well, Twitter might find it doesnt work for them. I like the ideas though, it fits in with whats happening with certain DAO's, there is some really interesting philosophical ideas around that subject, where active participants and owners are pulling in the same direction.

The West has a chronic issue with companies putting quarterly reports before the health of the company and its users. And DAO's are like a spearhead piercing right though that issue.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
I do wonder if Elon's swing right is in part coming from the Saudi investors. They've made no secret of wanting Republicans in power, even keeping up oil prices before the midterms, it dropped from $91 on the day of the election to $71 in the following month.
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Bear in mind that Trump basically forced their hand to reduce prices previoulsy. That no longer holds sway. Oil is finite, so oil peeps are trying to via for power and investments elsewhere, including in governments and big tech.
 
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Fairly high chance that a dumb smart man like Elon will have got himself in trouble with the wrong people and effectively needs to simp for them to keep whatever leverage they have over him quiet.
 
Trusty said:
It's not forcing people to pay $8. It's giving people who value the platform more than others the vote to decide its future. If this was Netflix and there was a free service with ads. And those users wanted it turned into a porn platform, and the paid users wanted to keep it a film/tv series platform? You don't think the people paying should be able to decide its future?
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Youve got that the wrong way round. The free user want it to stay the same while the paying ones get to dictate whether they want to turn it into a porn hub.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
I do wonder if Elon's swing right is in part coming from the Saudi investors. They've made no secret of wanting Republicans in power, even keeping up oil prices before the midterms, it dropped from $91 on the day of the election to $71 in the following month.
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That wouldnt expalin the crazy stuff such as all the covid stuff bringing back Kayne and lying his backside off. Its either a mental issue or just a new circle of influence like Jared. You dont just suddenly start believing in that **** because you have saudi investors.
 
Trusty said:
It's not forcing people to pay $8. It's giving people who value the platform more than others the vote to decide its future. If this was Netflix and there was a free service with ads. And those users wanted it turned into a porn platform, and the paid users wanted to keep it a film/tv series platform? You don't think the people paying should be able to decide its future?

Twitter is just a communication platform, it has 250m/300m people on it, it isn't some global communications network, 90% of the world don't use it.

Edit. I will say, i don't pay for Twitter, but i do care about its future as i use it a lot. I can understand the ideas around paying members deciding it future, thats correct. But i also feel left out with having no say. Generally speaking i do have faith in the paying users to keep the platform going in the right direction.

But they might not keep it as well, Twitter might find it doesnt work for them. I like the ideas though, it fits in with whats happening with certain DAO's, there is some really interesting philosophical ideas around that subject, where active participants and owners are pulling in the same direction.

The West has a chronic issue with companies putting quarterly reports before the health of the company and its users. And DAO's are like a spearhead piercing right though that issue.
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He and the people who have jumped on the $8 seem to have forgotten that we are already "paying" by allowing Twitter to collect data on us and use it/sell it to push ads at us. That is the deal with all these social media platforms. Now if Twitter said they'd never collect or allow others to collect a byte of data if people paid $8 and zero ads there would at least be something in the deal for that $8. He is saying he will improve the site but you have to pay for it and they still collect your data and push ads at you.

Netflix wouldn't become a porn site because people wouldn't use it. I'm happy to pay for Netflix because I'm getting access to copyrighted material for it. The movies and TV shows are the product and we are the customers. The exact opposite of Twitter, we are the product and the advertisers are the customers.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
He and the people who have jumped on the $8 seem to have forgotten that we are already "paying" by allowing Twitter to collect data on us and use it/sell it to push ads at us. That is the deal with all these social media platforms. Now if Twitter said they'd never collect or allow others to collect a byte of data if people paid $8 and zero ads there would at least be something in the deal for that $8. He is saying he will improve the site but you have to pay for it and they still collect your data and push ads at you.
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Yeah, and the reason you put paying in quotation marks is because it's not actually considered a transaction of any sort. So that argument has no merit with the overall point tbh.
Should we be able to own our own data though? Totally different topic i know but one i would agree with.

Colonel_Klinck said:
Netflix wouldn't become a porn site because people wouldn't use it. I'm happy to pay for Netflix because I'm getting access to copyrighted material for it. The movies and TV shows are the product and we are the customers. The exact opposite of Twitter, we are the product and the advertisers are the customers.
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It was a crude example but i think people got the gist
 
Trusty said:
Yeah, and the reason you put paying in quotation marks is because it's not actually considered a transaction of any sort. So that argument has no merit with the overall point tbh.
Should we be able to own our own data though? Totally different topic i know but one i would agree with.
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It might not be considered one but it is. Our data is worth a lot of money which is why the collect it, use it and sell it. There is a reason Zuckerberg freaked out when Apple gave IOS users the option to block Facebook from collecting a lot of it, that is the price we pay for using the platform.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
It might not be considered one but it is. Our data is worth a lot of money which is why the collect it, use it and sell it. There is a reason Zuckerberg freaked out when Apple gave IOS users the option to block Facebook from collecting a lot of it, that is the price we pay for using the platform.
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It's a voting hierarchy. Paid subs/data collection would still be above free subs/data collection
 

Ok, so either Elon is definitely just trolling/gaslighting his idiot followers here, or he is far more stupid than i thought.

There isn't any other explanation.

Does he genuinally believe that 24 hour twitter polls from his profile are an accurate gauge of the US population's majority feeling on something?
 
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Jono8 said:

Ok, so either Elon is definitely just trolling/gaslighting his idiot followers here, or he is far more stupid than i thought.

There isn't any other explanation.

Does he genuinally believe that 24 hour twitter polls from his profile are an accurate gauge of the US population's majority feeling on something?
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He has to be suffereing from a mental illness. There is no other reason for his mindset now.

 
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Jono8 said:

Ok, so either Elon is definitely just trolling/gaslighting his idiot followers here, or he is far more stupid than i thought.

There isn't any other explanation.

Does he genuinally believe that 24 hour twitter polls from his profile are an accurate gauge of the US population's majority feeling on something?
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Pretty sure ive seen you link to Gallup and fivethirtyeight before. They're only usually sample sizes of less than 10k.
 
Twitter polls are about as far from representative as you can get as Elon himself has said there are botfarms specifically voting against him so it can't be trusted per his own criticism.

The duopoly that is Muskian truth is very intriguing.
 
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Trusty said:
Pretty sure ive seen you link to Gallup and fivethirtyeight before. They're only usually sample sizes of less than 10k.
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