The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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tenofspades said:
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i didnn't realise the app usage was still free.

to be honest, i don't see the issue. SMS does have a cost, though small, there are great and better free alternatives to SMS 2FA.
 
1. He bought a random stranger a horse for no reason other than generosity.
2. He has given the previous owners of twitter lots of money
3. He is politically neutral, which is important when you've just paid 44 billion to own what he calls the "town board".
4. He is eco conscious and never does pointless jet journeys
5. He actually genuinely made a decent song once.
 
1: Good on him
2: that was called a contract, a contract he tried very hard to get out of.
3: LOL He's spent the last however long cozing up to very right wing people, and is currently the personal tech support of a number of well known alt right personalities.
4: LOL again, he's routinely doing very short journeys in a private jet, sometimes ones where it would be fast to go by car once you allow things like time to reach the airports into account.
5: Don't know about that,.
 
Hotwired said:
You had to be blinded or trapped to stay on instead of taking the money and running imo


Work harder than ever with/because of a skeleton staff, sleep in the office, weekly firings until morale/profit improves
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Never forget that you don't owe your employer anything beyond that which is explicitly stated in your contract. They have no loyalty to you, and you should have none to them.
 
Sankari said:
Never forget that you don't owe your employer anything beyond that which is explicitly stated in your contract. They have no loyalty to you, and you should have none to them.
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And perhaps if you're going to do this sort okf thing, do it for a company that is growing, not one that is struggling to survive, can't pay rent, run by the richest man in the world and can't afford to keep staff on for a bit longer to meet those "urgent" deadlines.
 
Aren't Labour laws in the US terrible? Pretty sure you can just get fired by managers/the owner for anything they want.

Over here demanding people to sleep in the office and work long hours, because otherwise you will fire them would be highly illegal.
 
VincentHanna said:
Aren't Labour laws in the US terrible? Pretty sure you can just get fired by managers/the owner for anything they want.

Over here demanding people to sleep in the office and work long hours, because otherwise you will fire them would be highly illegal.
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Yes, they are quite a backwards country in many respects.
 
GaryTheSnail said:
No thank you. I will never be doing this. If something can’t be met within standard hours then there’s something wrong with the project management.
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Although I get your point, let's say you were working for a start up that was seeing ridiculous growth, and everyone knew that the growth was because you were the first, and you needed to keep smashing that growth to grab as much market share as possible before others copied and joinined in and potentially did it better. I'd understand the company wanting/needing dedication from the staff beyond normal, and in situations like that, I'd happily give a year or whatever of my life, but the rewards needs to huge and there.
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Imagine working for Google when it was less than a year old, Facebook, tiktok etc.

I don't see it with twitter. The rewards seem to be "you get to work with Elon" until he might fire them because Biden performs better than him.
 
I agree with all of ^ that ^ but imagine working for facebook. Just ... even then I can't imagine 'working for Elon' (it is not "with", it is "for") would be anything other than having a straight up bad time because your boss is a dick, your job is a joke, you're an international poster child for how not to do things, and a passable living wage is, ironically, a meme you saw on the platform you're now unfortunate enough to work for.
 
unwashed potato! said:
Although I get your point, let's say you were working for a start up that was seeing ridiculous growth, and everyone knew that the growth was because you were the first, and you needed to keep smashing that growth to grab as much market share as possible before others copied and joinined in and potentially did it better. I'd understand the company wanting/needing dedication from the staff beyond normal, and in situations like that, I'd happily give a year or whatever of my life, but the rewards needs to huge and there.
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Imagine working for Google when it was less than a year old, Facebook, tiktok etc.

I don't see it with twitter. The rewards seem to be "you get to work with Elon" until he might fire them because Biden performs better than him.
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If a company can't meet objectives during normal working hours then there's something wrong. Very wrong with the company. You don't set a target of 6 months if a project takes 2 years to finish correctly then expect staff to work out of hours and sleep in the work place to have it finished in 6 months.

If a company wants it finished in 6 months, then they budget for it including hiring extra staff so it gets finished in the time frame.
 
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GaryTheSnail said:
If a company can't meet objectives during normal working hours then there's something wrong. Very wrong with the company. You don't set a target of 6 months if a project takes 2 years to finish correctly then expect staff to work out of hours and sleep in the work place.
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You did if you are a manipulative, greedy, exploitative person....
 
Jono8 said:
You did if you are a manipulative, greedy, exploitative person....
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Then the company isn't worth working for. One day you will be dismissed over nothing while the company gets more rich without you.

If you are paid fairly for working overtime e.t.c then fair enough if people want to work longer hours for more pay cool thats ok.
 
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GaryTheSnail said:
If a company can't meet objectives during normal working hours then there's something wrong. Very wrong with the company. You don't set a target of 6 months if a project takes 2 years to finish correctly then expect staff to work out of hours and sleep in the work place to have it finished in 6 months.

If a company wants it finished in 6 months, then they budget for it including hiring extra staff so it gets finished in the time frame.
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There are jobs that are precisely this (9-5); and this was why Twitter was haemorrhaging money. It was a private sector unicorn being run like it had a public sector slush fund. What Elon did was "reinvent" the way Twitter approached life from an engineering PoV.

The engineers working there will be under no illusion that if they kick ass and work every hour god sends them, they will be paid a handsome bounty (stocks/bonuses) etc. There are also the big intangibles like saying "you worked for Elon".

Keep in mind a lot of those devs need to be maxed to be "happy". There is nothing worse than a role that doesn't sharpen a top-tier engineer.
 
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