Soldato
It's the new "I'm not a trump fan" and then proceeds to post a load of trump fanboy stuff for 4 years straight
The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down
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Man of Honour
He didn't say disinfectant and he didn't encourage anyone to inject disinfectant. Or bleach. Or whatever else anyone might have made up and claimed he said. People lied (and continue to lie) a lot about what Trump said. The degree of bias and deceit against him was and is extraordinary even by modern standards.
No, they didn't have to. They chose to do so either as part of the lie or because they believed the lie or because they believed that some people would do it anyway. Like eating laundry pods. Or trusting in a book to stop a close range shot from a Desert Eagle. And yes, someone did that. In a country where guns are very commonplace so there's no excuse for being that ignorant about them.
Yes, he is. But that doesn't make the lies about him true.
The sad thing is that Trump might have been the last chance for the things progressives hate most - equality, diversity, liberalism and freedom. And that was no chance at all because Trump was incompetent as president. Woefully incompetent. A person picked at random from the entire adult population of the USA would probably be more competent to be the president of the USA. Even allowing for the extreme bias and outright lying to make Trump seem worse than he is, he's still clearly incompetent. And he wouldn't be much use for the above even if he had been competent, even if he had been so extremely skilled that he could at least partially offset the bias and lies.
The exact wording was:
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that."
The context was Trump musing in response to the head of the Homeland Security science and technology directorate talking about killing the coronavirus on surfaces using light or disinfectant and then Trump asking isn't there a way we can develop products which can do the same kind of thing inside a person - as if anti-virals could work as simply as disinfectant.
The whole thing is dumb as **** and it had to be incredibly painful for someone trying to go along with it in a professional sense but he does not suggest literally injecting disinfectant or bleach.
Personally the only reason I bother is because people are all how they aren't Biden fanboys just pro-truth and accuracy, etc. but then quite happy to continue perpetuating misconstrued information on Trump and/or when it suits them. Trump deserves most of it.
One of the ones which amuses me is how people get their knickers in a twist over a misconstrued version of Trumps claims about eliminating ISIS yet absolute silence when Biden did the exact same thing in respect to Al-Qaeda.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that."
The context was Trump musing in response to the head of the Homeland Security science and technology directorate talking about killing the coronavirus on surfaces using light or disinfectant and then Trump asking isn't there a way we can develop products which can do the same kind of thing inside a person - as if anti-virals could work as simply as disinfectant.
The whole thing is dumb as **** and it had to be incredibly painful for someone trying to go along with it in a professional sense but he does not suggest literally injecting disinfectant or bleach.
Personally the only reason I bother is because people are all how they aren't Biden fanboys just pro-truth and accuracy, etc. but then quite happy to continue perpetuating misconstrued information on Trump and/or when it suits them. Trump deserves most of it.
One of the ones which amuses me is how people get their knickers in a twist over a misconstrued version of Trumps claims about eliminating ISIS yet absolute silence when Biden did the exact same thing in respect to Al-Qaeda.
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Soldato
No the context was at a press briefing, he mused stupid ideas that were correctly or incorrectly to he interpreted by a large number of low iq people, that took him to say "inject bleach", so yes he did say that as it's all about how, when, why he said any of the words, the words being disinfectant, while having a sign behind him essentially saying disinfectant = bleach.
This wasn't a private chat where they actually would sort the problem and come up with ideas, this was a trump, at a press briefing, trying to throw ideas people should interpret and try. The same with that hydroclosocloriquin or whatever the heck he was promoting.
Please expand. Never heard of this.
What were the misconstrued versions of what trump said, and also then that exact same thing that Biden said? Never heard of Biden and his plans for alqaeda
Eh? never said it was or wasn't at a press briefing - anyone can look up the articles on it - I was just putting his words in the context of the discussion they were part of.
You can read the full transcript here BTW https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23 your take on it isn't accurate either.
Trump said (incorrectly) that he'd defeated 100% of the caliphate [ISIS]. The context of those words was the territory taken by ISIS in Syria/Iraq and not ISIS as an organisation - but for awhile after that every time ISIS did something people pointed back to that claim by Trump claiming he'd claimed that he'd defeated ISIS 100%.
(EDIT: I'm not sure if there was ever an instance where Trump did claim to have eradicated ISIS as an organisation - but the instance people refer back to he isn't claiming that)
Biden had a similar moment himself https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/20/politics/fact-check-al-qaeda-gone-afghanistan-biden/index.html
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Soldato
Just to be clear,
You can't see a difference between a guy that lies 50 times a day, saying something incorrect/untrue/slip of the tongue, compared with someone that doesn't lie 50 times a day, and said something clearly slip of the tongue?
I mean, it's worse in you that you can't see the difference here.
There isn't outrage etc as people know when Biden slipped up.
If Biden says something like "I went to England and had a great time, everyone was so friendly, they welcomed me with open arms" we might see that it's been exaggerated but know its likely based on truth, but if Trump said the exact same words, that'll mean he's lying, as in reality, there will be massive protests throughout the country, blimps created mocking trump, boos so loud you can hear them at press briefings, in fact making it hard to hear some of the words being said into a mic due to the background noise of boos for trump.
There's a difference when someone is a compulsive liar.
Why don't you know this? Why haven't you picked up yet on this very obvious thing?
Are you purposefully ignoring reality or just have such little knowledge of how trump was? You're trying to make a point whole ignoring such simple things that happened over the 4 years trump was in power and the run up before it.
Why is it that when someone cries wolf 50 times a day, you compare them in the exact same way to when someone cries wolf once, by mistake.
Jesus Rroff you need to do better than that. It's really rather weak to try and think anyone here in this thread would fool for the trick you're trying to pull.
You can't see a difference between a guy that lies 50 times a day, saying something incorrect/untrue/slip of the tongue, compared with someone that doesn't lie 50 times a day, and said something clearly slip of the tongue?
I mean, it's worse in you that you can't see the difference here.
There isn't outrage etc as people know when Biden slipped up.
If Biden says something like "I went to England and had a great time, everyone was so friendly, they welcomed me with open arms" we might see that it's been exaggerated but know its likely based on truth, but if Trump said the exact same words, that'll mean he's lying, as in reality, there will be massive protests throughout the country, blimps created mocking trump, boos so loud you can hear them at press briefings, in fact making it hard to hear some of the words being said into a mic due to the background noise of boos for trump.
There's a difference when someone is a compulsive liar.
Why don't you know this? Why haven't you picked up yet on this very obvious thing?
Are you purposefully ignoring reality or just have such little knowledge of how trump was? You're trying to make a point whole ignoring such simple things that happened over the 4 years trump was in power and the run up before it.
Why is it that when someone cries wolf 50 times a day, you compare them in the exact same way to when someone cries wolf once, by mistake.
Jesus Rroff you need to do better than that. It's really rather weak to try and think anyone here in this thread would fool for the trick you're trying to pull.
You've just invented a bunch of positions I've not in any shape or form expressed in my post. Funny how as soon as someone says anything remotely negative about Biden all you can do is spin some spiteful attack.
As for Biden... it goes way beyond a little slip... take the events around the Tree of Life Synagogue, his supposed arrest when visiting Mandela, the claims about his home town (Claymont) all of which have no basis in reality and/or have been refuted by the people who live there or were supposedly involved. Sure he doesn't lie as much as Trump but he certainly doesn't set a high standard in that respect either.
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Well I can agree with you that people continue to lie about what Trump did and didn't say, as you are doing so right now. He definitely did say disinfectant, and and he definitely did suggest injecting it....and he was definitely the President of the United States giving a press briefing, in the White House.
That's not the MSM boogeyman making things up, or an interviewer tripping him up with tricky questions, or selective quoting. It's right there on the record for everyone to see.
I linked to the full transcript just above - he does not suggest injecting disinfectant - he suggests, while trying to sound intelligent, that it would be possible to develop a product that via injection of *something* could clear out the disease like disinfectant kills the virus.
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There's really no point continuing this conversation if you reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.
I've added the full context of the comments in a spoiler above - he does not suggest injecting disinfectant although it is easy to see how someone could get that impression. He says can we do *something* like that by injection inferring as if anti-virals could work like surface cleaners.
Soldato
I fail to see how an attempt to overthrow an election is a defence of liberalism and freedom. I'd say its the exact opposite of that.
You've snipped half of Angilion's point there - it was about the void Trump filled or rather stumbled into.
There are simply not enough "incredulous expression" reaction gifs to respond to this one.
Man of Honour
The record does not show what you claim it shows. Your accusation is false. It's as simple as that and there is ample evidence to prove that your accusation is false. The original wording was at a press conference! It's all on video and audio! "the record" you refer to is a lie that you prefer to believe (or pretend to believe) over the recorded truth because it suits your politics to do so. Are you claiming that the recordings of Trump speaking are fakes? Or do you just not care about them? It has to be one or the other because the recordings do not show Trump saying what you claim he said.
Not surprising from that poster. They have a very simple framework that they fit everything into and anything they can't fit into it they just ignore.
I also find it hard to believe we've reached that state, but we have. The only practical opposition to the dominant ideology of authoritarianism and irrational prejudices turned out to be filled by Trump. Who was, as I said, woefully incompetent and wouldn't have served that purpose well even if they had been extremely skilled at being president rather than extremely incompetent at it.
Soldato
I think Twitter should allow people to tell each other to inject themselves with Drano/horse drugs/bleach if they want to And remove child-proof caps on bleach bottles etc.
Look on the numpties on TikTok that were eating Tide pods. Auto-Darwination should be allowed to continue unfettered.
Look on the numpties on TikTok that were eating Tide pods. Auto-Darwination should be allowed to continue unfettered.
Look man, I couldn't find enough reaction gifs to articulate how absurd your first statement was on this, let alone a second even more absurd one.
Man of Honour
If you do manage to find enough, please let me know so I can use them in response to your response. Or we could skip the waste of forum space that would entail.
Caporegime
Musk has now secured just over $33 billion for his Twitter acquisition. He is still hunting for another $11 billion.
Soldato
So Hilary was a authoritarian? I can't stand the woman but I don't remember her claiming she would have total authority as POTUS, as Trump did when he was POTUS. He was making all the noises of a wannabe authoritarian/dictator. Destroy belief in the free press, said only he was the trusted source of the truth. Destroyed confidence in the electoral process, which he started that in 2016 and carried it through to today. So the only practical opposition to dominant ideology of authoritarianism and irrational prejudices was someone who had all those qualities in spades? So you're saying Hilary would have been a far better POTUS?
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