The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[unwashed potato!]

The funny thing about all this, is that wasn't Elon's ai also woke to start with? Didn't it claim Elon was a dummy?

Grok is woke, too.


This has played out in a number of extremely funny situations online where Grok has answered queries about various social and political issues in ways more closely aligned with progressivism. Grok has said it would vote for Biden over Trump because of his views on social justice, climate change and healthcare. Grok has spoken eloquently about the need for diversity and inclusion in society. And Grok stated explicitly that trans women are women, which led to an absurd exchange where Musk acolyte Ian Miles Cheong tells a user to “train” Grok to say the “right” answer, ultimately leading him to change the input to just…manually tell Grok to say no.

 

[dowie]

No one except google knows exactly the details, and dowie is not an authority on genAI. The reality is likely a mixture of different factors from training set biases, fine tuning issues, prompt management to people simply trying to find limitations in the model and claiming that is a bias.

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Look how often the generative image tools create humans with 3 legs or 7 fingers etc. The models have no explicit knowledge about human anatomy. There is no way to know of the models have statistical knowledge of the skin color of various people. If there was not substantial training data then it is extremely unlikely. And then for things like drawing random people, without explicit input on skin color then what do you expect the model to do? White is a minority so defaulting to black people is perfectly fine.

This is just silly, these issues clearly have nothing to do with hallucinations but are the result of attempts to ensure diverse responses or to be sensitive around certain topics.

As a rough example:

If you ask for a picture of the Beatles and it draws 5 members of the band and the 5th member looks sort of like a combo of a couple of the others, that's a hallucination. If you ask for a picture of the Beatles and it draws four members, making sure there is one black one, one Asian one, and two of the four people drawn are women then that's just the result of the prompt being modified to try and ensure diverse responses.

 

[unwashed potato!]

I asked chatgpt to draw 4 cartoon characters playing dbd. 2 a pig, 1 a dragon, 1 a mouse.

No matter how I wondered it, it could never do 2 pigs.

Chatgtp is pig modified too?

 

[dowie]

I asked chatgpt to draw 4 cartoon characters playing dbd. 2 a pig, 1 a dragon, 1 a mouse.

No matter how I wondered it, it could never do 2 pigs.

Chatgtp is pig modified too?

 

[unwashed potato!]

My mistake. It was Bing ai. Assume it's the same tech?

seeing as you're getting better results I'm curious to see what you get when you ask the following.

"Draw a cartoon picture of 4 players playing dungeons and dragons. One of the players is a rooster, one is a dragon with green scales, and the other 2 are pigs"

This doesn't work for me and I've changed the wording around many times. Just checked again and still can't get it right.

 

[dowie]

"Draw a cartoon picture of 4 players playing dungeons and dragons. One of the players is a rooster, one is a dragon with green scales, and the other 2 are pigs"

This doesn't work for me and I've changed the wording around many times. Just checked again and still can't get it right.

Bing does use OpenAI but it may be using an earlier image model.

Using your exact prompt it hallucinated a bit with the 4th animal and only drew one pig:

I then changed the prompt and it correctly generated two pigs:

edit - I used mouse there as per the previous comment you'd made re: a mouse, dragon and two pigs but still, no issue with the two pigs*

edit - 2... *I could nitpick a bit as there are potential hallucination issues there too re: the pigs' ears and the tail on the right hand one. I'll give it some artistic license there as it's also drawn little capes!

 

[unwashed potato!]

Bing does use OpenAI but it may be using an earlier image model.

Using your exact prompt it hallucinated a bit with the 4th animal and only drew one pig:

I then changed the prompt and it correctly generated two pigs:

edit - I used mouse there as per the previous comment you'd made re: a mouse, dragon and two pigs but still, no issue with the two pigs*

edit - 2... *I could nitpick a bit as there are potential hallucination issues there too re: the pigs' ears and the tail on the right hand one. I'll give it some artistic license there as it's also drawn little capes!

All good.

It should have been rooster, I said mouse as I couldn't remember until I went and checked what I had originally requested.

But still better than what I can get from Bing.

Any way, we are going off topic too much now.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

House China Committee wants to know why SpaceX are supplying Starshield access to troops in and around Taiwan as they are contracted to supply worldwide.

Who would have imagined there could be a conflict of interest with Musk being so invested in China

House China committee demands Elon Musk open SpaceX Starshield internet to U.S. troops in Taiwan

The Pentagon awarded Elon Musk's SpaceX a one-year contract for Starshield in September.

www.cnbc.com

House China committee demands Elon Musk open SpaceX Starshield internet to U.S. troops in Taiwan​

• The House China committee sent a letter on Saturday to Elon Musk demanding that U.S. troops stationed in Taiwan get access to SpaceX’s Starshield, a satellite communication network designed specifically for the military.
• The letter came after Committee Chair Rep. Mike Gallagher and a delegation of lawmakers returned from a Taiwan visit where they learned that Starshield was not operational for American troops in and around the region.
• Taiwan governs itself independently of China, but Beijing officials have repeatedly made clear their intention to reunify the sovereign island with the mainland.

The House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party sent a letter on Saturday to SpaceX and Tesla CEO Elon Musk demanding that U.S. troops stationed in Taiwan get access to SpaceX’s Starshield, a satellite communication network designed specifically for the military.

The letter, obtained by CNBC and first reported by Forbes, claimed that by not making Starshield available to U.S. military forces in Taiwan, SpaceX could violate its Pentagon contract, which requires “global access” to Starshield technology.




“I understand, however, that SpaceX is possibly withholding broadband internet services in and around Taiwan — possibly in breach of SpaceX’s contractual obligations with the U.S. government,” read the letter, which was signed by Rep. Mike Gallagher, R-Wi., who chairs the House CCP committee.

The Pentagon awarded SpaceX a one-year contract for Starshield in September, after commissioning SpaceX’s Starlink network months earlier for Ukraine’s war against Russia, which hit the two-year mark on Saturday.

A spokesperson for the Office of the Secretary of Defense said in an email to CNBC on Sunday, “We have no statement or information to provide regarding the correspondence at this time.”

The letter comes after Gallagher led a visit to Taiwan where he and a delegation of other lawmakers met with Taiwan officials like President Tsai Ing-wen and President-Elect Lai Ching-te.

The letter said that the lawmakers learned that U.S. troops stationed in Taiwan were not able to use Starshield despite the Pentagon’s stipulation of global access: “Multiple sources have disclosed to the Committee that Starshield is inactive in and around Taiwan.”




The letter requests that Musk provide the House committee with a briefing on its Taiwan operations by March 8.

Taiwan has been governing itself independently of China since the island split from the mainland during the 1949 civil war. China has said it still lays claim to Taiwan and has repeatedly made clear its intention to reunify the sovereign island with the mainland.

“In the event of CCP military aggression against Taiwan, American servicemembers in the Western Pacific would be put at severe risk,” read the letter. “Ensuring robust communication networks for U.S. military personnel on and around Taiwan is paramount for safeguarding U.S. interests in the Indo-Pacific region.”

Tesla’s success hinges on favorable business relations with China, which has led Musk, its CEO, to cultivate cozy relations with the country, despite its broader tensions with the U.S. Tesla operates its own factory in Shanghai while other foreign automakers in China had been required to establish joint ventures.

Musk came under fire from Taiwanese officials last September for seemingly siding with China’s reunification doctrine toward Taiwan, stating that the self-governing island was an essential part of China.

“I think I’ve got a pretty good understanding as an outsider of China,” Musk said on the All-In Podcast. “From their standpoint, maybe it is analogous to Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China.”

“Listen up, #Taiwan is not part of the #PRC & certainly not for sale,” Taiwan’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Jaushieh Joseph Wu wrote on X in response to Musk’s comment.

SpaceX and Musk did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the letter.

 

[PlacidCasual]

I always start with don't attribute to malice what can be what can be attributed to ignorance, or plays on that theme. I notice that Taiwan itself doesn't yet have Starlink coverage, is it possible this is a regulatory hurdle? They are not providing service to to US serviceman in Taiwan yet, because they require some permission to do so.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I always start with don't attribute to malice what can be what can be attributed to ignorance, or plays on that theme. I notice that Taiwan itself doesn't yet have Starlink coverage, is it possible this is a regulatory hurdle? They are not providing service to to US serviceman in Taiwan yet, because they require some permission to do so.

If it were that I wouldn't expect a bipartisan response but of course these are congressmen/women so anything is possible.

 

[PlacidCasual]

If it were that I wouldn't expect a bipartisan response but of course these are congressmen/women so anything is possible.

He's generally not flavour of the month at the moment. I don't know enough about congress to know who may or may not like Musk. I would have expected the DoD to be the one making the fuss if they weren't getting what they were paying for. They keep giving SpaceX contracts despite the seeming conintuous stories about how he's letting the US military down. I just imagine their is some reasonable explanation why they're not providing service when from a technical perspective they have facility for 70+ of the globe.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

He's generally not flavour of the month at the moment. I don't know enough about congress to know who may or may not like Musk. I would have expected the DoD to be the one making the fuss if they weren't getting what they were paying for. They keep giving SpaceX contracts despite the seeming conintuous stories about how he's letting the US military down. I just imagine their is some reasonable explanation why they're not providing service when from a technical perspective they have facility for 70+ of the globe.

You would have thought it was the military in Taiwan that were telling the delegation that it isn't working. I'm sure the truth will come out in the next week or so.

 

[arknor]

The funny thing about all this, is that wasn't Elon's ai also woke to start with? Didn't it claim Elon was a dummy?

the webs woke or plain crazy , so they will learn to be broken.

like MSFTs twitter bot learning from twitter..

Microsoft Created a Twitter Bot to Learn From Users. It Quickly Became a Racist Jerk. (Published 2016)

The bot, @TayandYou, was put on hiatus after making offensive statements based on users’ feedback, like disputing the existence of the Holocaust.

www.nytimes.com

they don''t really learn from the web though anymore, they just scrape it for content

How TikTok’s algorithm ‘exploits the vulnerability’ of children

Up to 1.4m children under 13 use app, watchdog finds – and experts say they are being flooded with harmful content to promote addiction

www.theguardian.com

“The algorithm recognises vulnerability and, instead of seeing it as something it should be careful around, it sees it as a potential point of addiction – of helping to maximise time on the platform for that child by serving them up content that might trigger some of the pre-existing concerns.”

The same companies who make exploitative algos also will be the ones making AI.

Enough to drive an AI mad... fine for people though

 

[Akagi]

I hope you all at least realise that being "woke" is a good thing.
Do you know the definition of that word?

It is: "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues"

The alternative to being woke, is being ignorant.

 

[arknor]

I hope you all at least realise that being "woke" is a good thing.
Do you know the definition of that word?

It is: "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues"

The alternative to being woke, is being ignorant.

definitions change with time and any aI should be in a sane middle between woke and crazy

 

[Akagi]

definitions change with time and any aI should be in a sane middle between woke and crazy

That is true, however the concrete definition for "woke" has not changed at any point, it is rooted.
Which makes anyone who uses it in a derogatory way look like an idiot.

As for AI... It is neither woke nor crazy. It has potential use cases, but they are not the primary potential use cases being explored right now.
Right now AI is the biggest active threat to humanity that exists. I truly believe that.

It is evolving rapidly, and the potential is immense. The people in charge of regulating it, do not even know how to turn on a mobile phone.
It is going to shake up the world, and make tonnes of peoples jobs completely irrelevant.

People wished that one day robots could do menial work, so that humans could focus on creating art and music. But what has actually happened is people who have no awareness are excited about AI's ability to mimic artwork, so that people can focus on menial tasks...

It is a mess.

 

[Fubsy]

Here's what billionaires ought to do more often:

Students at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine broke into cheers and tears Monday as Dr Ruth Gottesman, a former professor, announced the school would be tuition free because of her $1bn donation.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

That is true, however the concrete definition for "woke" has not changed at any point, it is rooted.
Which makes anyone who uses it in a derogatory way look like an idiot.

As for AI... It is neither woke nor crazy. It has potential use cases, but they are not the primary potential use cases being explored right now.
Right now AI is the biggest active threat to humanity that exists. I truly believe that.

It is evolving rapidly, and the potential is immense. The people in charge of regulating it, do not even know how to turn on a mobile phone.
It is going to shake up the world, and make tonnes of peoples jobs completely irrelevant.

People wished that one day robots could do menial work, so that humans could focus on creating art and music. But what has actually happened is people who have no awareness are excited about AI's ability to mimic artwork, so that people can focus on menial tasks...

It is a mess.

I fear you are right and our leaders are walking us into a nightmare that once it happens it will be too late to do anything. AI has the potential to be incredible, it also has the potential to be horrifying and if they leave to to capitalists to do the right thing here we are all ******.

 

[arknor]

Here's what billionaires ought to do more often:

Students at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine broke into cheers and tears Monday as Dr Ruth Gottesman, a former professor, announced the school would be tuition free because of her $1bn donation.

you could argue if the rich didn't suck uo so much wealth and be so greedy other normal worklers would be paying the taxes wohich could afford something like thast on a national level.

oh wait sorry the great "wealth creators" all bow before them, wonder how many modern billionaires got there without government subsidies and family money

 

[Roar87]

you could argue if the rich didn't suck uo so much wealth and be so greedy other normal worklers would be paying the taxes wohich could afford something like thast on a national level.

oh wait sorry the great "wealth creators" all bow before them, wonder how many modern billionaires got there without government subsidies and family money

How many people go through University without a government loan or help from their family? Almost everyone who has any sort of success had some help. That doesn't detract from what they've accomplished, period. Trying to detract from people who have created companies worth billions, employ tens of thousands of people, and create entire ecosystems around their products and services is crazy. I don't think I can begin to imagine the amount of economic activity Amazon has created, but look at how many companies sell products on there that people couldn't easily buy from a local shop that now have access to those products. Everyone's quality of life has increased massively even since I was kid in the 90s. Rather than look at how far we've come, some people choose to focus on the fact that a few people are worth stupid amounts of money because the companies they had a part in creating are now valued so highly. Under other economic systems people were starving to death, under this one everyone has a micro computer in their pocket that can order food to their door within 30 minutes.