The Placebo effect - true story

Pigeon_Killer · 30 May 2011 at 13:34

Am I being thick or am I reading 4kg of muscle in 30 days correctly?

BennyC · 30 May 2011 at 14:09

jordan282 said:
They measured his body fat and lean total mass at the start and at the end...It just shows if you have the motivation you can gain muscle quickly

This doesn't really show anything :confused:

If that was the case then most people would be mass monsters.

Skillmister · 30 May 2011 at 14:11

So basically he started working out and got noob gains?

icecold · 30 May 2011 at 14:17

While I don't doubt the OP, it would have been a lot better just to give all of the information initially.

Even with the info we have now it may or may not be remarkable.

jordan282 · 30 May 2011 at 14:20

I am just saying if the motivation is there you can gain muscle quickly. He had been working out a year prior to the test.

icecold · 30 May 2011 at 14:24

Yes, but motivation isn't the deciding factor here. How did his routine and diet change?

The study sounds terribly designed, what was it actually investigating?

Pigeon_Killer · 30 May 2011 at 14:35

Finding this very hard to believe. 4kg in 30 days isn't achievable if you're a beginner, it isn't achievable if you've been working out for a year and simply push yourself harder and it's above the typical gains I would expect to see from a cycle.

Jaap74 · 31 May 2011 at 00:37

Freefaller said:
HGH doesn't affect your HPTA like steroids do - and the effect of HGH is completely different and disparate to the way steroids behave. This is not something I intend on going on into on this forum - there is plenty of info available out there. Besides, if he was on the placebo, which I'm guessing was just bacteriostatic water he was injecting, then why would his testes shrink at all?

I was kidding about his gonads

Freefaller · 31 May 2011 at 08:03

Ah sorry....

Psycho Sonny · 31 May 2011 at 09:45

Pigeon_Killer said:
Finding this very hard to believe. 4kg in 30 days isn't achievable if you're a beginner, it isn't achievable if you've been working out for a year and simply push yourself harder and it's above the typical gains I would expect to see from a cycle.

this,

something clearly isnt right, i dont think the tests they used were accurate. guy probably did lose weight and gain muscle, but nowhere near the amount they stated.

Django x2 · 31 May 2011 at 10:39

He gained 10 torques of muscle and lost 50 bhp of fat

ExRayTed · 31 May 2011 at 18:10

4Kg of muscle in 30 days? Utter rubbish

soundb0y · 31 May 2011 at 22:28

I call bull on this. You can't say simply being more motivated yielded these results.

Also 4kg in 30 days, unless noob gains (still very questionable) is comparable to dat der cell tech results.