The resurgence of awful bands (Panic at the Disco, Fall Out Boy, The Academy Is)

Sic · 25 Apr 2006 at 10:27

Arcade Fire said:
Most of the Rites of Spring discography, for a start!

if you dont pretend to like RoS, he'll never talk to you again!

Carzy · 25 Apr 2006 at 12:40

Sic said:
if you dont pretend to like RoS, he'll never talk to you again!

RoS are good!

King4aDay · 25 Apr 2006 at 12:42

Emo is one of the few things possibly worse than late nineties UK garage.

Sic · 25 Apr 2006 at 12:45

Carzy said:
RoS are good!

just because you like them, doesnt make them good. it makes them obscure and likely to play in parisian cafés. sublime.

Carzy · 25 Apr 2006 at 13:10

Sic said:
just because you like them, doesnt make them good. it makes them obscure and likely to play in parisian cafés. sublime.

You love saying that init

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And that would be an awesome gig

Clowned · 25 Apr 2006 at 17:13

IceBus said:
Thank **** the new Tool album comes out in under a week.

<deep breaths>

Well. Tool are about as musically interesting as a cup of tea. Your tastes obviously cant cope with something as challanging as a long songname, and some random lyrics that make no sense. Im sure you'll get over it.

You seem to know a lot about all these bands too, any reason why that is? especially when you hate them? most normal people would take the easy route and not listen to them, tell their friends of the hatred for the band. end of problem no?

nero120 · 25 Apr 2006 at 17:25

Clowned said:
Well. Tool are about as musically interesting as a cup of tea. Your tastes obviously cant cope with something as challanging as a long songname, and some random lyrics that make no sense. Im sure you'll get over it.

The simple truth of the matter is that Tool have been going strong for 16 years, riding the wave of trend changes and emerging stronger than ever. PATD will last as long as Hansen did. They are empty corporate money makers targetted and the impressionable youth, music has nothing to do with it. As soon as tastes change they will be dead and forgotton, and some other group will emerge to take their place mimicking the new in-style. This is the double sided face of the music industry - you have bands that are about music, who sell records on the strength of their music and manage to live above fashion and trends, then you have the disposable music used to capitalise on the fashion and trends. The former usually lasts more than a decade, the latter usually less than 5 years. No one will remember PATD at all, yet Tool will be remembered as a legendary progressive rock band, just like the Foos or Chili Peppers are seen as legendary rock bands. Im not even a Tool fan, but that is the truth of it.

lemonkettaz · 25 Apr 2006 at 17:26

Fun Lovin Criminals are a real band

IceBus · 25 Apr 2006 at 17:40

Clowned said:
Well. Tool are about as musically interesting as a cup of tea. Your tastes obviously cant cope with something as challanging as a long songname, and some random lyrics that make no sense. Im sure you'll get over it.

You seem to know a lot about all these bands too, any reason why that is? especially when you hate them? most normal people would take the easy route and not listen to them, tell their friends of the hatred for the band. end of problem no?

One of my favourite Pearl Jam songs is "Elderly Woman Behind The Counter In A Small Town" which is hardly a short title. I never mentioned long song names, that was other posters. I can 'cope' perfectly well with lyrics that make no sense, I just see no point in them. He might as well do some gregorian chanting. I could quite easily have responded with 'Your tastes obviously can't cope with concentrating long enough to listen to and understand a Tool song' but I won't.

I try to be as musically informed as I can be, and by that I mean I'll listen to anything and everything at least once before I decide if I like/dislike it. I don't pan bands without at least trying them once. How could I tell my friends I hated them if I never listened to them?

Clowned · 25 Apr 2006 at 17:41

nero120 said:
No one will remember PATD at all, yet Tool will be remembered as a legendary progressive rock band, just like the Foos or Chili Peppers are seen as legendary rock bands. Im not even a Tool fan, but that is the truth of it.

Im sure PATD know they're not goin to be legends in 15years. remembered by fan yes. maybe nothing more.

nero120 said:
then you have the disposable music used to capitalise on the fashion and trends.

this genre of music (fob, panic etc) is a trend in pop music at this particular instance in time, but it has always been there, just not on MTV, TOTP etc.
Anyone who is into alternative/punk/indie/emo etc will know this, and i personally think it nice to see different genres of music hitting the charts and tv's other than POP and RAP c.RAP and rattling people like our thread maker.

Scam · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:00

Clowned said:
this genre of music (fob, panic etc) is a trend in pop music at this particular instance in time, but it has always been there, just not on MTV, TOTP etc.
Anyone who is into alternative/punk/indie/emo etc will know this, and i personally think it nice to see different genres of music hitting the charts and tv's other than POP and RAP c.RAP and rattling people like our thread maker.

Exactly. And more to the point, who gives a damn if PATD arent still around doing stadium tours in 2030? They're here now, and people like them. Whats the problem? Not every 'good' band has to turn into a huge music-making machine riding the waves of trend changes when they can simply make some decent fun music and be done with. It's like genre movies:- just because its a generic Hollywood buddy-cop action movie it doesnt mean you cant enjoy it for the brief time its on general release :confused:

Spirit7 · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:04

On a side note, what is it with some emo kids these days going round wearing melodic death metal/death metal hoodies?! I've seen many around London with Death, Morbid Angel, In Flames, Arch Enemy, Cannibal Corpse etc tops, when they clearly listen to catchy emo? Perhaps this is a method of 'standing out' from their now-clichéd and Pied Piper-esque crowd?

As long as they don't start hijacking Opeth I'm happy.

-C

Carzy · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:05

nero120 said:
The simple truth of the matter is that Tool have been going strong for 16 years, riding the wave of trend changes and emerging stronger than ever. PATD will last as long as Hansen did. They are empty corporate money makers targetted and the impressionable youth, music has nothing to do with it. As soon as tastes change they will be dead and forgotton, and some other group will emerge to take their place mimicking the new in-style. This is the double sided face of the music industry - you have bands that are about music, who sell records on the strength of their music and manage to live above fashion and trends, then you have the disposable music used to capitalise on the fashion and trends. The former usually lasts more than a decade, the latter usually less than 5 years. No one will remember PATD at all, yet Tool will be remembered as a legendary progressive rock band, just like the Foos or Chili Peppers are seen as legendary rock bands. Im not even a Tool fan, but that is the truth of it.

A band's music being disposable doesn't (in my opinion) automatically lead to it being bad music. So I don't really think your argument stands to say much. So what if Panic! won't be around in five years? There's different types of music for different occasions. I wouldn't always want to listen to Tool, as it's too involving. I wouldn't want to always listen to this Art Blakey album I currently have on loop because I like to hear vocals now and again. I wouldn't want to listen to Panic! all the time, because they are light pop music. However, that doesn't mean any of those bands are neccessarily creating bad music. They could well be, but that has to be debated on other terms, such as having no talent

.

Disposable music has it's place to be honest.

Clowned · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:17

Carzy said:
Disposable music has it's place to be honest.

I think its a bit harsh saying these bands are "disposable". They may be disposable to the big picture of popular music, no one would miss them.
But FOB, Panic and The academy is are probably the 3 biggest bands Fueled by Ramen has under its wing. We are talking about bands that are based 5000miles away, it costs a lot of money sending bands to europe, their label wouldnt see them as being disposable when both FOB & PATD have made it into the charts with their current albums, and that all 3 sell out gigs wherever they play at the moment.

Arcade Fire · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:25

I think that Carzy was using 'disposable' in the sense that they might not be very well-remembered in, say, five years time.

Spud21 · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:28

Spirit7 said:
As long as they don't start hijacking Opeth I'm happy.

-C

If they do then i shall be retreating to orbit and firing off some god damn nukes.

blairw · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:35

All three bands mentioned i like - im not part of an apparent emo scene - i just like the music, and im sure the guys that play it like doing so aswell.
The problem lies in the followers of music - its like green-day being followed by a load of idiots now compared to what they used to bring in as crowds, and it annoys the real fans.
To be honest in this music industry you can't be popular anymore - its not allowed apparently :rolleyes:

IceBus · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:36

Clowned said:
We are talking about bands that are based 5000miles away, it costs a lot of money sending bands to europe, their label wouldnt see them as being disposable when both FOB & PATD have made it into the charts with their current albums, and that all 3 sell out gigs wherever they play at the moment.

You'd be very surprised how disposable all bands are to record labels. I'd be very surprised if they are given a third album.

blairw · 25 Apr 2006 at 18:40

Fob actually have :/ From under the cork tree is their third