The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.

[humbug]

3090 is about 30% faster in Cyberpunk with RT on Overdrive at 4K, but again how many frames is the 3090 actually getting at 4K with RT on Overdrive in CP? 13?

What do they get with playable FPS RT settings? i'm willing to bet about the same.

 

[humbug]

IMO these reviews with RT settings that high on higher end GPU's at frame rates in the 40's or less are a bad joke and give RT a bad name.

Tech Jurnoes love it because it gives them click bait content while the average joe looks at that crap and dismisses RT out of hand for another GPU generation.

 

[humbug]

I've said it many times but i'll say it again because it need reality checking regularly.

I have a real problem with tech journos selling upscaling tech as the value in GPU's, that sort of crap play's right in to their hands because they know they can sell you stuff that is progressively #### for more so long as it has DLSS branding on it.

The moment AMD get their #### together with this they will both be doing it in tandem and Nvidia will appreciate AMD for it, while idiots on Youtube become in their own demise.

Tech jurnoes already do this for over price ARC GPU's because XeSS is kinda on par with DLSS, there's you're proof.

 

[humbug]

None of these people are sharp enough to see the manipulation as its happening, we need a better class of tech jurnoes.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

TBF,even Digital Foundry recommended the 7900GRE at £500ish over the RTX4070,so it depends on what price level you are looking at. However,I think once you start spending more money it does become a consideration IMHO. If say you are spending £600 to £700 on a card,you probably do want to turn more settings up - AMD does need to work on RT improvements in hardware,and also better software optimisations,etc.

 

[Nexus18]

But weren't you saying to amd that upscaling does in fact matter?

I don't enjoy posting this but if we want things to be better, as we all should, i feel like i have to.

I have an RX 7800 XT, i have nothing but good things to say about the GPU, the hardware, its great, AMD drivers.. also great.

With that said AMD's weakpoint has always been FSR compared to DLSS.

Before i start, CIG (Cloud Imperium Games) have developed their own upscaling tech for their game. TSR.
Ok, so, i don't know which version of FSR CIG are using, 1, 2 or 3, i hope its not 1! 1 is bad, so i don't know how fair on AMD this actually is, but, this is bad.... you can clearly see CIG TSR is better, look at the signs, the red text above the Cubby Blast door, see how unstable that is in FSR compared to CIG TSR?

CIG have a better upscaling tech for your GPU's, AMD, are you even trying?

CIG are working with AMD at the moment, for bugs with Vulkan in the driver, but also future performance optimisations with Vulkan, and CIG are using AMD's white paper on Ray Tracing, not Nvidia... thank _____! They have said this was a very deliberate decision.
I hope AMD can do a lot of work with CIG, this game has the potential to be absolutely massive, and i would like AMD to be involved with it.

Upscaling does matter, and you can do so much better, AMD, no more half arsing it. Be as good at this as you know you can.

At the end of the day, we have countless comparisons out there now by several reputable tech press sources as well as end users that shows DLSS is very much worth having. The naysayers on this still have not posted substantial enough evidence to show otherwise.

If amd had a solution on par with dlss and now xess, well, maybe the market would be different but reality is, nvidias dlss tech has set the bar now for retaining the best IQ or in some cases, even better whilst providing a substantial boost in performance. Again, the fact that you can use DLSS balanced and even performance mode and still get as good or better IQ than FSR UQ/Q presets say it all.....

Not really the right thread for upscaling talk either....

 

[humbug]

TBF,even Digital Foundry recommended the 7900GRE at £500ish over the RTX4070,so it depends on what price level you are looking at. However,I think once you start spending more money it does become a consideration IMHO. If say you are spending £600 to £700 on a card,you probably do want to turn more settings up - AMD does need to work on improvements in hardware,and also better software optimisations,etc.

Midrange cards, Nvidia or AMD absolutely are viable 1440P RT cards, if you're going to crank the RT settings all the way up then the 4070 is just as useless as the 7900 GRE.
Fair play to any review channel saying that, this Cyberpunk in Overdrive mode needs to stop, or at least presented in such a way as to be just a tech demo along side the reality, trouble is too many still present this crap as the only true RT, sponsored by my free 4090 crate, thanks Nvidia....

 

[humbug]

But weren't you saying to amd that upscaling does in fact matter?



At the end of the day, we have countless comparisons out there now by several reputable tech press sources as well as end users that shows DLSS is very much worth having. The naysayers on this still have not posted substantial enough evidence to show otherwise.

If amd had a solution on par with dlss and now xess, well, maybe the market would be different but reality is, nvidias dlss tech has set the bar now for retaining the best IQ or in some cases, even better whilst providing a substantial boost in performance. Again, the fact that you can use DLSS balanced and even performance mode and still get as good or better IQ than FSR UQ/Q presets say it all.....

Not really the right thread for upscaling talk either....

In this climate it does matter, and i hate it.

I've said it many times but i'll say it again because it need reality checking regularly.

I have a real problem with tech journos selling upscaling tech as the value in GPU's, that sort of crap play's right in to their hands because they know they can sell you stuff that is progressively #### for more so long as it has DLSS branding on it.

The moment AMD get their #### together with this they will both be doing it in tandem and Nvidia will appreciate AMD for it, while idiots on Youtube become in their own demise.

Tech jurnoes already do this for over price ARC GPU's because XeSS is kinda on par with DLSS, there's you're proof.

 

[humbug]

Ok, from Daniels video.

This with upscaling enabled. but at 4K.

Alan Wake 2.

RT High.
4070: 37 FPS (154%)
7900 GRE: 24 FPS (100%)

RT Low
7900 GRE: 53 FPS (110%)
4070: 48 FPS (100%)

Now for 1440P which is the better usable GPU for RT?

 

[humbug]

You see Hardware Unboxed would say the 4070 is the better RT GPU, technically that is correct.

But technicality arguments are a rather cynical ploy by people trying to manipulate you, in practical reality the 7900 GRE is the better GPU. In this case.

 

[gpuerrilla]

From experience @humbug I am not sure who you are posting this at.

 

[humbug]

From experience @humbug I am not sure who you are posting this at.

The thread.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The thread.

Tough crowd.

 

[humbug]

Tough crowd.

i know, but i think i'm making some headway.

 

[humbug]

@Nexus18 RE: that, this may or probably not interest you.

Also the perils of unreleased test builds, slow servers are the least of problems.

First, please excuse the weird colour, i had Auto HDR running and Relive records the HDR tone mapping so it looks like this.

Star Citizen at 4K native, Very High, Very High Clouds.

I though i would give it a proper go, and i'm pleasantly surprised, 3.23 is harder, right now, on the GPU than 3.22, but i'm getting quite reasonable frame rates at 4K proper.

RX 7800 XT, its a little power house this card.

 

[Calin Banc]

3090 is about 30% faster in Cyberpunk with RT on Overdrive at 4K, but again how many frames is the 3090 actually getting at 4K with RT on Overdrive in CP? 13?

What do they get with playable FPS RT settings? i'm willing to bet about the same.

IMO these reviews with RT settings that high on higher end GPU's at frame rates in the 40's or less are a bad joke and give RT a bad name.

Tech Jurnoes love it because it gives them click bait content while the average joe looks at that crap and dismisses RT out of hand for another GPU generation.

I've said it many times but i'll say it again because it need reality checking regularly.

I have a real problem with tech journos selling upscaling tech as the value in GPU's, that sort of crap play's right in to their hands because they know they can sell you stuff that is progressively #### for more so long as it has DLSS branding on it.

Ok, from Daniels video.

This with upscaling enabled. but at 4K.

Alan Wake 2.

RT High.
4070: 37 FPS (154%)
7900 GRE: 24 FPS (100%)

RT Low
7900 GRE: 53 FPS (110%)
4070: 48 FPS (100%)

Now for 1440P which is the better usable GPU for RT?

I don't know how each card scales. My 4080 goes like this (4k downsampled at 1080p, so perhaps some performance lost there).

4k native with path tracing: 15-16fps (so around what you said 3090 is doing with overdrive)
DLSS Quality: 33fps or 37 fps with ray reconstruction.
DLSS Performance: 52fps or 53 fps with ray reconstruction.
DLSS Ultra performance (with an actually a significantly higher ratio of 0.47 instead 0.366666 or whatever is by default, so there is still performance to be gain): 57Fps.

4070 super any day of the week.

 

[humbug]

I don't know how each card scales. My 4080 goes like this (4k downsampled at 1080p, so perhaps some performance lost there).

4k native with path tracing: 15-16fps (so around what you said 3090 is doing with overdrive)
DLSS Quality: 33fps or 37 fps with ray reconstruction.
DLSS Performance: 52fps or 53 fps with ray reconstruction.
DLSS Ultra performance (with an actually a significantly higher ratio of 0.47 instead 0.366666 or whatever is by default, so there is still performance to be gain): 57Fps.

4070 super any day of the week.

What for? 4K performance mode (1080P?) nets you 37 FPS

 

[Nexus18]

For me it's pretty simple, for my needs/wants, no gpu below a 4080 and going forward, more so 4090 level of perf is good enough (I game at 4k and 3440x1440 175hz and love my RT [which has been and is in 95+% of games I play) so I simply rather save up longer to get a better gpu than a 4070/7900/7800xt. If I absolutely had to pick though, DLSS alone swings it in favour of nvidia for the simple fact, you either use upscaling or you make significant sacrifices to graphical settings in order to achieve the same uplift that upscaling would provide, until FSR is sorted, this will not change. XESS is good but it's problem is the slow uptake in games. TSR is better than FSR too but again, limited game support.

 

[Calin Banc]

What for? 4K performance mode (1080P?) nets you 37 FPS

At 4k I go for a 4080, 4070 super would not be for 4k, but around 1440p. But if you're asking in my case, because the combination of downscale from 4k and DLSS makes the image better than native 1080p.

Le: you add FG at that 37 is definitely playable.

 

[stooeh]

Input lag will be pretty nasty