The Smiths

Voltar said:
Gilly, The Stone Roses are NOT the best band ever Sorry to break it to you.
They are utter pap compared to Pink Floyd. Listen to the music and analyse it. Stone Roses Lyrics... hmmm. At least Morrissey wrote some good ones to his credit.
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How can you try and quantify or analyse something as subjective as people's taste in music and claim x band or artist to be better or more influential :confused:

Personally I would take The Stone Roses over The Smiths and Oasis any day of the week but thats because their music means more to me than the other bands for a whole host of reasons.
 
Loki said:
How can you try and quantify or analyse something as subjective as people's taste in music and claim x band or artist to be better or more influential :confused:
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That's what people always do. That's what we're all doing in this thread. People who simply don't like a certain band might say "they're ****" which is their opinion; it doesn't make it fact. Same the other way round. When I say The Smiths are the best band ever, it's just as pointless to present my opinion as fact.

Doesn't make it any less true though :)
 
Unless you want ot come across as needlessly argumentative and self riteous, I think it's better to say "In my opinion" rather than just "they are the best" - because it is only an opinion, but it comes across badly.

In my opinion the stone roses are massively overrated, and their second album was not up to much. Pavement are my favourite band, but I'm under no illusions that they'rer not the best band to have ever existed, far from it. Still my favourite though.
 
hogfather said:
Unless you want ot come across as needlessly argumentative and self riteous, I think it's better to say "In my opinion" rather than just "they are the best" - because it is only an opinion, but it comes across badly.
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Surely it goes without saying that it is your opinion? You are the person expressing it and that is the ordinary way of the World. On the rare exceptions when you aren't giving your opinion you merely preface with "in the opinion of NME (insert random publication/person that might support a view)".
 
You're all wrong and my opinion is FACT because I'm the oldest regular contributor so I am RIGHT (that is unless Singist comes up with a band but I think he's into Opera).

The Wildhearts are the best British band EVER.
 
Well, why bother making an effort to write complex music if people can't be bothered to actually try and work out what's going on? Or indeed why bother writing about anything at all: just write stuff like...
'girls who like boys who like girls..' blah blah ******* blah. Made a great pop hit but boy is that nonsense. That's just one example (from Blur, not the Stone Roses and I don't want to antagonise any particular mods)



/attempts to download The Wildhearts.

dm, what kind of music are they? Will I like them?
 
Voltar said:
/attempts to download The Wildhearts.

dm, what kind of music are they? Will I like them?
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Imagine Metallica, Slade, T.Rex, The Beatles, Beach Boys, Slayer, The Sweet, Queen, Oasis, Status Quo, The Smiths all put in a big pot and stirred up.
You won't be far off.
 
oooh. Just hope my leeching of spanish wi-fi holds up long enough. sounds intriguing.

Stone Roses are poo. Smiths are better. Both are Northern. There, that was a stupid comment.
 
Gilly said:
FAC 51 & New Order were more important than M&M.
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Gilly said:
New Order put Manchester on the map in terms of music. There's no arguing it.
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Get real mate. The Smiths were the biggest mistake Tony Wilson ever made i.e he never signed them, and lived to regret it for ever more. You could argue Joy Division put Manchester on the map, not New Order, who, were, compared to JD or The Smiths pretty garbage. Got all NO albums and they have nothing on Joy Division or The Smiths. Power Corruption and Lies is interesting and quite pioneering, but the rest of there output is very average.

Movement was garbage (1981), PCL (1983) was the key album they made, Low Life (1985) and Technique (1989) was good, Brotherhood (1986) was average, after that they faded into obscurity. That's almost a decade.

The Smiths were about for four years and released four brilliant and critically acclaimed albums, plus three B-side and single compilations. Their output was simply phenomenal, unrivalled, even for 60's bands, and the quality was simply superb.

To say that Manchester was simply Factory is very ignorant.
 
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I didn't say Manchester was simply Factory, nor did I say New Order were better than Joy Division or The Smiths (though they appeal more to my tastes than either of them).

Don't put words into my mouth and don't simply read what you want it to say.

Without the Hacienda an entire generation/movement may never have come about. If you wish to argue that then you can argue with the nearest wall, I aint listening cos there's no point.
 
Gilly said:
warren isn't likely to agree with that :)
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Ok I agree with what your saying about the Hacienda and the way its influenced the city, but wasn't the thread about how The Smiths are the greatest band ever? I'm just trying to argue my corner.

Your saying FAC and New Order are more important than M&M, when you say important do you mean musically or creating a trend/style? Well If your saying musically influential I don't think they are, I think M&M are more musically influential than FAC and NO. But if your saying they are more trend/style influential I can see your point, but this thread isn't about graphic design mate.
 
Aye, apparently the guy who played Sumner in Control spent six weeks learning to play guitar like him. I wondered what he did for the last four weeks?

I've spent 20 years playing guitar and I still can't work out how Marr did most of The Smiths stuff.

Culturally yes the Hacienda had a massive impact, but musically The Smiths are in a different league.
 
warren_1979 said:
Ok I agree with what your saying about the Hacienda and the way its influenced the city, but wasn't the thread about how The Smiths are the greatest band ever? I'm just trying to argue my corner.

Your saying FAC and New Order are more important than M&M, when you say important do you mean musically or creating a trend/style? Well If your saying musically influential I don't think they are, I think M&M are more musically influential than FAC and NO. But if your saying they are more trend/style influential I can see your point, but this thread isn't about graphic design mate.
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banja jumped in feet first saying how The Smiths influenced things far more than anyone else in the region. I disagreed.

He didn't give his reasoning so neither did I, and I still stand by what I said. I don't believe New Order nor Joy Division for that matter were particularly musically influential. NO were far more influential than The Smiths though purely for what they did away from music making.
 
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