Caporegime
Indeed he does! The weirdo 
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I am basing this on lever advantage due to my staturehowever it does seem to hinder my deadlifts a little
Short legs / Long torso should be of benefit for deads aswell? More upright back, more leg drive and less ROM?
How wide we talking here? Presumably arms still outside legs? I fancy trying sumo when I go back to SL.
Yes but Syla5 has strange upper to lower body size ration
Sumo is typically more advantageous for taller lifters or those with long legs/short arms no?
I'm around the same height as you Syla so I'm gonna do some measuring later, IMO I have long legs/short torso (makes squats and deads a real pain) but I'd be interested to compare!
Caporegime
Sumo's can be better from what I know yes. However you need to look up how to do them really, as they are a bit different than standard deads.
Then saying that, LiE is hardly small, and he does deadlifts fine.
Then saying that, LiE is hardly small, and he does deadlifts fine.
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Snatch deadlifts for epic test of grip.
Coach at the gym suggested this as a way of making sure my hips moved properly for the deadlift, as I was getting ridiculously tight. When lifting with a snatch grip at 110 (dropped from 125kgs for regular) for a month or so, I returned to the regular grip and found that 125 was comparatively easy. A lot of soft tissue work was involved in freeing up my hips, too, so I'm not talking magic bullet, either.
Also hammers the core, too, so don't know if this would be appropriate...
Coach at the gym suggested this as a way of making sure my hips moved properly for the deadlift, as I was getting ridiculously tight. When lifting with a snatch grip at 110 (dropped from 125kgs for regular) for a month or so, I returned to the regular grip and found that 125 was comparatively easy. A lot of soft tissue work was involved in freeing up my hips, too, so I'm not talking magic bullet, either.
Also hammers the core, too, so don't know if this would be appropriate...
If your using oly bars with the little indicator ring in the knurling(assuming this is standard across oly bars), i position the outside of my leg so that it is level with that point
(diagrams removed as miss leading, will get pics on monday)
So my hands are still outside my legs. This stops me leaning to far forward at the bottom of the lift, while maintaining a good position. Before i would try and sit back more so that my shoulders were not infront of the bar and this just led to less power and making the start of the motion harder. So i had a tendancy to have my shoulders ahead of the bar at the start of the movement which never helped.
Compared to how i previously positon my legs i would say i have moved each leg out 2-4 inches so overall the distance isnt a large amount, but it allows me to keep my shoulders parallel to the bar without compromising my start position. Again this is only at lite weights at the minute and 10's and 5's weeks will really start to show if this is a benefit or not.
(diagrams removed as miss leading, will get pics on monday)
So my hands are still outside my legs. This stops me leaning to far forward at the bottom of the lift, while maintaining a good position. Before i would try and sit back more so that my shoulders were not infront of the bar and this just led to less power and making the start of the motion harder. So i had a tendancy to have my shoulders ahead of the bar at the start of the movement which never helped.
Compared to how i previously positon my legs i would say i have moved each leg out 2-4 inches so overall the distance isnt a large amount, but it allows me to keep my shoulders parallel to the bar without compromising my start position. Again this is only at lite weights at the minute and 10's and 5's weeks will really start to show if this is a benefit or not.
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Intredasting. I've always read that stacked joints is where its at on deadlifts and set up accordingly. Something like this.
(assuming X is knurling)
--|X-XXXX--XXX--XXXX-X|-- (From memory ours look somthing like this)
--|X-XXHL--XXX--LHXX-X|--
So yours would be very wide for our bars, What width do you use bench press? For me its pinky on the ring.
(assuming X is knurling)
--|X-XXXX--XXX--XXXX-X|-- (From memory ours look somthing like this)
--|X-XXHL--XXX--LHXX-X|--
So yours would be very wide for our bars, What width do you use bench press? For me its pinky on the ring.
Caporegime
If it works for you mate then fair play
I am going to reserve judgement until I see the pics, but as long as your arms can stay straight it should be fine.
Sumo can also be a lot worse, and should only be pursued if you have an interest in powerlifting or just really want big deadlift numbers. This is only my opinion of course, if conventional feels like total arse and sumo feels like a dream then I can understand the choice. It is typically useful for long legged lifters to allow them to get their hips closer to the bar, but there tends to be some back stability compromises.
Syla5, are you finishing each rep phase on PBs or just maxes? Considering that you tested your maxes a while ago, I think you should go for small PBs
Sumo can also be a lot worse, and should only be pursued if you have an interest in powerlifting or just really want big deadlift numbers. This is only my opinion of course, if conventional feels like total arse and sumo feels like a dream then I can understand the choice. It is typically useful for long legged lifters to allow them to get their hips closer to the bar, but there tends to be some back stability compromises.
Syla5, are you finishing each rep phase on PBs or just maxes? Considering that you tested your maxes a while ago, I think you should go for small PBs
Caporegime
See I found Sumo to be quite good for me at the last meet, but that could have just been pure coincidence.
As long as the gym at work is open next week, I'll try and get some vids.
As long as the gym at work is open next week, I'll try and get some vids.
i bench pinky on the ring as well.
hmm looking at some vids i may have miss remembered my positioning. Before my pinky was probably 4 inches inside the ring, now my pinky is almost at the ring, so not quite as wide as i thought, but still wider then i previously went with.
ok so week 2 of 15's begins today. Looking forward to it!
No morning training this morning as a late night return from a concert and then having to cook up my weekly meals meant no bed until 2am! no chance i was going to be heading to the gym on 4 hours sleep.
Calories have been upped again this week on my transition from cut to bulk, and last week i manage to drop a 1lb so now sitting at 11st 1lb and cals target for this week is 2.3k rest day, and 2.6k training.
Pics will be taken of my DL stance tonight and maybe a vid as well so that it can be seen.
No morning training this morning as a late night return from a concert and then having to cook up my weekly meals meant no bed until 2am! no chance i was going to be heading to the gym on 4 hours sleep.
Calories have been upped again this week on my transition from cut to bulk, and last week i manage to drop a 1lb so now sitting at 11st 1lb and cals target for this week is 2.3k rest day, and 2.6k training.
Pics will be taken of my DL stance tonight and maybe a vid as well so that it can be seen.
Week 2 of the 15's and I was training in the evening today due to a late night, I am not sure if the difference was due to me not being used to getting up early but it felt much easier.
Got a video of my squat madness
75 kg squat x 15
also I took so back to back comparisons of my old and new DL stance and here they are
Here is a pic from the front of my narrow stance and a video:
And here is the wider stance and video:
The wider stance allows me to sit back a little more, while remaining comfortable, and retaining strength through my legs and core, and keeping my back nice and tight. When I try and sit in that position using the narrower stance it just doesn't work. LiE's helpful comment of the evening "haha you've got really short legs haven't you" cheers mate
Got a video of my squat madness
75 kg squat x 15
also I took so back to back comparisons of my old and new DL stance and here they are
Here is a pic from the front of my narrow stance and a video:
And here is the wider stance and video:
The wider stance allows me to sit back a little more, while remaining comfortable, and retaining strength through my legs and core, and keeping my back nice and tight. When I try and sit in that position using the narrower stance it just doesn't work. LiE's helpful comment of the evening "haha you've got really short legs haven't you" cheers mate
Caporegime
Makes me wonder whether or not I need a wider stance really. Alas! Mine was narrowed by Mr.Icecold, so it shall stay.
Certainly makes you sit back more, and keeps the shoulders further back
Your squats flatten mine, dead funny
Certainly makes you sit back more, and keeps the shoulders further back
Your squats flatten mine, dead funny
Makes me wonder whether or not I need a wider stance really. Alas! Mine was narrowed by Mr.Icecold, so it shall stay.
Certainly makes you sit back more, and keeps the shoulders further back
Your squats flatten mine, dead funny
Your legs are a lot longer then mine so I don't think you need to. By widening my stance it allows me to keep a shallower angle on my legs without forcing my shoulders over the bar.
I wouldn't mind so ice feedback on this.
Squats flatten yours??
Caporegime
Aye, I'm not changing it any time soon, sticking with it for the time being, seems to be working anyway
Did some DL 100kg sets last friday which I was pretty pleased about
Did some DL 100kg sets last friday which I was pretty pleased about
Well not as far off as I expected! Kind of disappointing lol. All I can say is I look a lot deeper and more compressed at the start of DL than you, maybe I have T-Rex arms.
I need a gym session where I don't have to be out in time for work to really experiment!
just give it a go, i instanlty felt the difference, and every time i have DL'ed since i have felt the difference.
I havent gone heavy yet but everything is feeling good. DL's tomorrow morning at 75kg x 15, i might throw 100 and 120 on the bar and do a couple of doubles just to see that the new stance is benefical when the weight goes on.
I havent gone heavy yet but everything is feeling good. DL's tomorrow morning at 75kg x 15, i might throw 100 and 120 on the bar and do a couple of doubles just to see that the new stance is benefical when the weight goes on.