The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

[danlightbulb]

I think the 3080 Ti would be a killer GPU once it release at £999.

It will definitely kill the need for a 3090.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Unfortunately once NVIDIA releases 3080 Ti the 6900XT would be a rather hard sell. Firstly when you have so much cash to burn on 1 GPU these cards should be aimed at 4K 120hz. 3080 and 6800XT turned out competitive at 1440p and 1080p when AMD’s marketing compared both cards with SAM and rage disabled. But 3080 pulled ahead by 7.4% at 4K. The 3090 is about 13% faster than 3080 at 4K. AMD turned on Rage and Sam while comparing the 6900XT to 3090 indicating it won’t be all that competitive without them.

So even with the absence of the 3080 Ti, its hard to justify why you would pay £300 more than a 3080 for roughly 10% rasterisation boost at 4K over a 3080 but with RTX performance below that of a 3070 and no DLSS at the moment.

I think the 3080 Ti would be a killer GPU once it release at £999.

It is unfortunate but not for the reason you stated. Neither the 3080 nor 3090 has much overclock Headroom. But just going on speculation it makes the 3080ti nothing more than a 3090 with less vram.

If that turns out to be true it would make the 3080TI nothing more than what people already have.

Which would be a shame as we won't see any competition until Hopper.

 

[Grim5]

Something that most won't care about but which I found interesting in the Linus review. He has a relatively wide range of rendering benches he does and the 6800xt performed very poor - not only taking much longer to render the image but the quality of the image was very poor, rendered images appear very noisy (AMD needs better denoising)

This reminds me of Zen 2 vs Coffee Lake, where Intel was good for straight gaming and nothing else while AMD was good for everything else. Now we have the same with graphics cards, where RDNA 2 is great for straight gaming but if you do anything else on your GPU (whether it be rendering, editing, streaming, AI, simulations etc) you're far better off with the Nvidia option.

 

[Richdog]

When we start casually talking £900-£1000 for a gpu and then realise, for that amount you could get a top end cpu and mobo.

If you are a gamer and don't need to do any heavy or professional productivity tasks then it makes much more sense to spend the money on a better GPU than a mobo and CPU. A B550 with a 5600x costs £400 and you do not need to spend more than that on a CPU and mobo and it will max out any high-end GPU while still providing more than enough power for amateur or prosumer photo or video editing. By the time you need more power for gaming, AM5 will be mature.

 

[Shaz12]

It is unfortunate but not for the reason you stated. Neither the 3080 nor 3090 has much overclock Headroom. But just going on speculation it makes the 3080ti nothing more than a 3090 with less vram.

If that turns out to be true it would make the 3080TI nothing more than what people already have.

Which would be a shame as we won't see any competition until Hopper.

The performance of the 3080Ti depends entirely on the margin by which 6900XT would beat 3080 at 4k. If it beats it by a less than 10% range, NVIDIA may quite possibly just release the 3080 Ti with lower clocks than a 3090, which barely manages to eek out a win at 4k. If the 6900 XT beats the 3080 by 13% like the 3090, they may just release a lower VRAM 3090 with the same clocks to compete. Regardless, the 3080 Ti performance is already what people currently have.

It primarily depends on NVIDIA's willingness to throw the 3090 owners under the bus as they would be irate when they find out that the 3080 Ti provides the same performance just 3 months later at 50% lower prices.

 

[z10m]

The performance of the 3080Ti depends entirely on the margin by which 6900XT would beat 3080 at 4k. If it beats it by a less than 10% range, NVIDIA may quite possibly just release the 3080 Ti with lower clocks than a 3090, which barely manages to eek out a win at 4k. If the 6900 XT beats the 3080 by 13% like the 3090, they may just release a lower VRAM 3090 with the same clocks to compete. Regardless, the 3080 Ti performance is already what people currently have.

It primarily depends on NVIDIA's willingness to throw the 3090 owners under the bus as they would be irate when they find out that the 3080 Ti provides the same performance just 3 months later at 50% lower prices.

Keeping same specs as 3090 but lowering memory amount would mean 3080ti would be a 12GB card.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Something that most won't care about but which I found interesting in the Linus review. He has a relatively wide range of rendering benches he does and the 6800xt performed very poor - not only taking much longer to render the image but the quality of the image was very poor, rendered images appear very noisy (AMD needs better denoising)

This reminds me of Zen 2 vs Coffee Lake, where Intel was good for straight gaming and nothing else while AMD was good for everything else. Now we have the same with graphics cards, where RDNA 2 is great for straight gaming but if you do anything else on your GPU (whether it be rendering, editing, streaming, AI, simulations etc) you're far better off with the Nvidia option.

The noisy image was a comparison between different render engines.
Blender has a denoising node in the compositor courtesy of intel. For control purposes that is the one people will use. However AMD have confirmed that they are working on a denoiser.

Also linus said it took longer in short renders but was faster in longer renders, in cycles. (Cuda vs OpenCL). The longer render times for short render is probably due to Kernel compilation at render times, rather than the actual render part.

 

[Grim5]

Keeping same specs as 3090 but lowering memory amount would mean 3080ti would be a 12GB card.

they could do 20gb using the memory modules from the 3080 but it would have less bandwidth than a 3090

 

[Yagdub]

3850 to break Ti pattern

 

[nvidiamd]

I think the 6900xt will follow the same pattern in performance: great at 1080p and 1440p and a huge drop at 4k. There is nothing new in that card to make it behave different and there are no new drivers.
AMD only have one chance: to bring as many cards as they can for sale, faster than Nvidia. And it looks like that isn't the case. They had a lot of time to prepare this launch but they missed the opportunity. Not to mention that the RT performance is below what most of the gamers interested in RT need and they don't have an equivalent to DLSS to make some of the games playable.

Sure maybe in 3 or 6 months or a year the 6800xt or the 6900xt will beat their Nvidia opponents even at 4k, or they will bring DLSS and bring better RT performance but by that time, most of the people willing to pay more than $600-$1000 for a video card will already have Nvidia cards in their systems.

The 3080Ti will still sell. I think it will beat the 6900xt in 4K (at least for a while) and it will offer far better RT performance.

 

[Grim5]

At least where I am Nvidia stock is starting to normalise. Apart from ASUS, other brand cards are starting to sit on shelves instead of being permanently out of stock, so you can just walk into the store and buy a 3090/3080/3070. That cannot be said for the 6800 and 6800xt

edit: 19 3090's on the shelf, 16 3070's and 5 3080's

 

[gpuerrilla]

Where are you Grim?

 

[doody]

Where are you Grim?

cuckoo land

 

[Tiny_D]

have two friends that work for Cloud Imperium Games - I think it's more of a case that the design is so expansive that it has taken along time (and will still require significant development).



Probably not - nearly all current dev costs (and a significant period of future costs) have been covered by kick-starters, backers, patrons etc.

Here is what's gonna happen with Star Citizen, mark my words call me wrong but when we look back.

After over 300 million in development funds including selling off part of the game/business through shell companies to banks and family members Chris Robberts will eventually call time and the game will never see light of day.

Chris Roberts though should go to prison for variouse reassons wont, because he insulated himself with all these said shell companies across variouse countries across the world.
If you look at how Chris and his bit of imported wife lived/owned prior to selling Jpegs to the world he was in a bad spot, and now owns multi million pound homes and boats etc, mean time he continue to sell jpegs on tech demos.

This game will never be what's promised and your money is lost if you sank into it, best to move on and forget the tech demo.

 

[Tiny_D]

I think the 6900xt will follow the same pattern in performance: great at 1080p and 1440p and a huge drop at 4k. (at least for a while) and it will offer far better RT performance.

Im sorry where is this huge drop @4k?? I see it's less than the Ampere range but I don't see a huge drop?
now before someone post cherry picked slids of a Nvidia bias game ill just post 3 back of an AMD bias game, across the board the AMD cards are slower at 4k but I think huge is a tad dramatic!

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

Im sorry where is this huge drop @4k?? I see it's less than the Ampere range but I don't see a huge drop?
now before someone post cherry picked slids of a Nvidia bias game ill just post 3 back of an AMD bias game, across the board the AMD cards are slower at 4k but I think huge is a tad dramatic!

4k 6800xt gets almost a 8% spanking by 3080rtx

6900xt might just squeek past 3080 at 4k

with a 10% uplift over 6800xt.....

 

[nvidiamd]

I am not a fan of Nvidia. But i see a huge drop on both Radeon cards at 4k. There is no reason to not keep the same lead at 4K as they have at 1080 and 1440p, they have faster frequencies than Nvidia and more Vram. But if you check the benchmarks you will see them both dropping a lot more FPS at 4k than their Nvidia opponents.
Even when the reviews are favorable to them, like the HU review. You can notice the huge drop every time. Look at AC Valhalla, that`s a huge drop in performance. In 1440p both cards are ahead the 3080 and even the 3090.
Again i am not a Nvidia fan. I wish AMD could do better but i am afraid they missed a huge opportunity here.

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

Infinity cache at 4K and 256-bit bus. Designed for consoles....

slap some HBM2 on that puppy AMD for goodness sake.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Will see how this pans out as more people get their hands on them and the game drivers mature.

 

[Tiny_D]

4k 6800xt gets almost a 8% spanking by 3080rtx

6900xt might just squeek past 3080 at 4k

with a 10% uplift over 6800xt.....

Did you intend to look stupid?