The thread which sometimes talks about RDNA2

HRL · 5 Dec 2020 at 12:11

jonneymendoza said:
whwn does the 6900zt reviews and card come out?

8/12

rolypolyman · 5 Dec 2020 at 12:24

All this talk of SAM but the problems I see are, very small (if any) gains from what I've read and also the CSM problem which from my point of view I would not want to do. Not worth the hassle.

EastCoastHandle · 5 Dec 2020 at 15:38

rolypolyman said:
All this talk of ~~SAM~~ GBAR but the problems I see are, very small (if any) gains from what I've read and also the CSM problem which from my point of view I would not want to do. Not worth the hassle.

Fixed that for you.

But it was my understanding that if mb manufactures updates the bios to include SAM then you didn't need to worry about CSM. Because that was the old way of doing it. As there was no SAM option in the bios.

Hmm...

rolypolyman · 5 Dec 2020 at 16:12

EastCoastHandle said:
Fixed that for you.

But it was my understanding that if mb manufactures updates the bios to include SAM then you didn't need to worry about CSM. Because that was the old way of doing it. As there was no SAM option in the bios.

Hmm...

My reading of it was if you have used your current drives with csm enabled then you cannot use SAM(GBAR) as you will have to re-install Windows and disable csm in bios. I hope you are correct in which case I'll take the 1% or 2%. LOL.

EastCoastHandle · 5 Dec 2020 at 16:30

rolypolyman said:
My reading of it was if you have used your current drives with csm enabled then you cannot use SAM(GBAR) as you will have to re-install Windows and disable csm in bios. I hope you are correct in which case I'll take the 1% or 2%. LOL.

Amd will need to clarify now that mb manufactures are adding it specifically in the bios.

EastCoastHandle · 6 Dec 2020 at 23:24

AMD Radeon RX GPUs Witnessed Market Share Gain Versus NVIDIA GeForce RTX GPUs in Q3 2020, RDNA 2 & Ampere Launches Not Yet Accounted For

As per the report, GPU makers also saw increased shipments with AMD's shipments increasing 18.7%, NVIDIA's shipments increasing 10.8% and Intel's shipments increasing 7.8% compared to the previous quarter. This led to AMD's market share climbing by 1.3%, NVIDIA's market share by 0.09%, and Intel's market share slightly declining by -1.4%. The overall GPU market share stands at 62% for Intel, and 19% for both AMD & NVIDIA.
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AMD’s overall unit shipments increased by 18.7% quarter-to-quarter, Intel’s total shipments rose by 7.8% from the last quarter, and Nvidia’s increased 10.8%.

The GPU's overall attach rate (which includes integrated and discrete GPUs, desktop, notebook, and workstations) to PCs for the quarter was 122%, up 0.6% from last quarter.

The overall PC market increased by 9.75% quarter-to-quarter and increased by 9.47% year-to-year.

Desktop graphics add-in boards (AIBs that use discrete GPUs) increased by 13.44% from the last quarter.

Q3'20 saw an increase in tablet shipments from last quarter.

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-nvidia-geforce-rtx-gpu-market-share-q3-2020/

gpuerrilla · 6 Dec 2020 at 23:28

Hmm. When it comes to Q4 with RDNA2 and Ampere im sure judging by the cards that are being listed and bought nvidia will reclaim that market share (if any) lost in Q3.

EastCoastHandle · 6 Dec 2020 at 23:34

Who would have thought that it would take WccfTech to actually explain the settings in Dirt 5. Benchmarks using SAM On/Off with RT On/Off. At 1440p/4k using a 5900X.

To be fair I still see no benefit using RT in any game.

Cliffs:
The 6800xt wins.

Grim5 · 6 Dec 2020 at 23:36

EastCoastHandle said:
Who would have thought that it would take WccfTech to actually explain the settings in Dirt 5. Benchmarks using SAM On/Off with RT On/Off. At 1440p/4k using a 5900X.

To be fair I still see no benefit using RT in any game.

Dirt 5's ray tracing is pretty much the worst in any game in the last 3 years. The performance reflects that nicely and so whether you turn it on or off is pretty much irrelevant, you won't notice it in the visuals or performance.

EastCoastHandle · 6 Dec 2020 at 23:39

Grim5 said:
Dirt 5's ray tracing is pretty much the worst in any game in the last 3 years. The performance reflects that nicely and so whether you turn it on or off is pretty much irrelevant, you won't notice it in the visuals or performance.

Rt IQ sucks in all games. And no, I don't need your still photos because you don't agree. We've been down that road before.

However, it does show that when we are dealing with a new ported game to PC AMD has the advantage. That setiment has been echoed here for many months now regarding future ported games to PC.

Purgatory · 6 Dec 2020 at 23:43

AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT AOTS Benchmark Leaked, Reaches GeForce RTX 3090 in Gaming Test Nearly

https://techplusgame.com/amd-radeon...aked-reaches-geforce-rtx-3090-in-gaming-test/

Grim5 · 6 Dec 2020 at 23:54

EastCoastHandle said:
Rt IQ sucks in all games.

However, it does show that when we are dealing with a new ported game to PC AMD has the advantage.

Nope, it looks quite decent in some. In dirt 5 they've cut it's scope down as far as possible just so they could stick the "Ray Tracing" sticker on it - Ray Tracing has become a meme, every game will have it now: Hey look guys our game has ray tracing! We cast a reflection on this one flower here, but its totally there!

As for your advantage statement, common man you know that's flat out wrong. ALL dirt games since the xbox 360 era have been sponsored by AMD to run better on AMD hardware. If you really think this is some new advancement and proliferation moment that means AMD will win in ported games, then you haven't been a gamer for very long cause Dirt 5 has run abnormally well for over 10 years now and by abnormally well, I mean the results fail to be replicated in other games lol

EastCoastHandle · 7 Dec 2020 at 00:35

Grim5 said:
Nope, it looks quite decent in some. In dirt 5 they've cut it's scope down as far as possible just so they could stick the "Ray Tracing" sticker on it - Ray Tracing has become a meme, every game will have it now: Hey look guys our game has ray tracing! We cast a reflection on this one flower here, but its totally there!

As for your advantage statement, common man you know that's flat out wrong. ALL dirt games since the xbox 360 era have been sponsored by AMD to run better on AMD hardware. If you really think this is some new advancement and proliferation moment that means AMD will win in ported games, then you haven't been a gamer for very long cause Dirt 5 has run abnormally well for over 10 years now and by abnormally well, I mean the results fail to be replicated in other games lol

LOL

Nope RT sucks in all games. And I find absolutely no use for it as it offers nothing tangible while gaming. Even Steve from HU said as much. You simply have just an "opinion". I on the other hand am just as entitled to my opinion in which I'm not alone in either.

As for AMD having an obvious advantage in console ported games this generation. Deal with it. Newer pc ported games are showing strides towards Radeon since 5700xt. And now we see a proliferation in how game engines are being created, tweaked and revised for console games. Which show AMD written all over it. As we see more console ported games released I'm sure we will continue to see Radeon show better performance in those games then those old games like SOTTR, Control, Witcher 3, etc. Which are the poster child games for Amper, haaa!

And no I'm not talking about ~~amper2077~~ CB2077 we know that the console version won't be out until sometime in 2021.

Coowhan · 7 Dec 2020 at 01:02

EastCoastHandle said:
LOL

Nope RT sucks in all games. And I find absolutely no use for it as it offers nothing tangible while gaming. Even Steve from HU said as much. You simply have just an "opinion". I on the other hand am just as entitled to my opinion in which I'm not alone in either.

I have the same feelings on ray tracing tbh. All the hype about it is BS. It's still too much of a performance hit for me to ever be bothered enabling it. I'd rather the game just ran smoother. When am I gonna notice how much nicer shadows look....? Especially in a fast paced game. Substantial performance hit for no reason.

Richdog · 7 Dec 2020 at 04:44

Coowhan said:
I have the same feelings on ray tracing tbh. All the hype about it is BS. It's still too much of a performance hit for me to ever be bothered enabling it. I'd rather the game just ran smoother. When am I gonna notice how much nicer shadows look....? Especially in a fast paced game. Substantial performance hit for no reason.

Of course we notice improved visuals in games. We always have.

RT, as poorly performing and badly implemented as it currently is, represents a huge upgrade in realism in terms of lighting. Realistic lighting, combined with photorealistic assets is the key to viisual realism in future. Over the next couple of generations we will really see the benefits... just not so much in this one.

Coowhan · 7 Dec 2020 at 10:47

Richdog said:
Over the next couple of generations we will really see the benefits... just not so much in this one.

Yeah so what I said, right now it's pretty irrelevant and not worth enabling. When it doesn't chunk your FPS into the ground I would obviously use it. But people go on about it like it's the new sliced bread right now :rolleyes:

gpuerrilla · 7 Dec 2020 at 11:04

Coowhan said:
Yeah so what I said, right now it's pretty irrelevant and not worth enabling. When it doesn't chunk your FPS into the ground I would obviously use it. But people go on about it like it's the new sliced bread right now

People were recommending the 2060 and 2070 last gen with the deal-maker point being "it can also do raytracing" as a 5700 got the elbow.. the low stack absolutely suck at it, that is what was being falsely put as a selling point.

Shaz12 · 7 Dec 2020 at 11:05

EastCoastHandle said:
Rt IQ sucks in all games. And no, I don't need your still photos because you don't agree. We've been down that road before.

Don't think you played COD Black Ops Cold War. Looks incredible

However, it does show that when we are dealing with a new ported game to PC AMD has the advantage. That setiment has been echoed here for many months now regarding future ported games to PC.

Meaning badly ported Ubisoft games.

Wrinkly · 7 Dec 2020 at 11:15

EastCoastHandle said:
LOL

Nope RT sucks in all games. And I find absolutely no use for it as it offers nothing tangible while gaming. Even Steve from HU said as much. You simply have just an "opinion". I on the other hand am just as entitled to my opinion in which I'm not alone in either.

This just sound like trolling now. BTW. Steve from HU and his co-presenter both use Nvidia cards within their personal systems.

Th0nt said:
People were recommending the 2060 and 2070 last gen with the deal-maker point being "it can also do raytracing" as a 5700 got the elbow.. the low stack absolutely suck at it, that is what was being falsely put as a selling point.

People recommend all sorts of garbage these days without any investigation. Turing was little more than a beta, while Ampere appears to deliver on the promises that Turing launched with.

TNA · 7 Dec 2020 at 11:17

Wrinkly said:
This just sound like trolling now. BTW. Steve from HU and his co-presenter both use Nvidia cards within their personal systems.

Nice sig. Yes, yes I am. RT Ultra settings