The Ultimate Con

[The Mad Rapper]

I've been watching a video this evening called 'The Ultimate Con'. In a nut shell, it suggests that the attacks on the 11th September in New York were carried out by the security apparatus of the US Government to provide grounds for an attack on Iraq and Afghanistan, and to rob the US people of their rights and subject them to martial law.

Before you dismiss the possibility out of hand, watch the video. It is interesting.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

OMFG not again.

I searched - couldn't find it posted...

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Hang on, I seem to have misplaced my tin foil hat. Brb...

Watch it - open your mind.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Ughh, two hours?! Précis?

In the OP...

 

[The Mad Rapper]

You mean kill it from total lack or logic, taking stuff out of context and plain lying.

It even has the loose chain guys in, they are total idiots who are not qualified have no idea and can not argue there point as they have none.

Nothing is taken out of context in this movie - watch it - there's no narration at all.

I am amazed how closed minded you all are. Not one person has posted anything that indicates to me you are capable of keeping an open mind.

Do you really think they aren't capable of something like this? They have assassinated their own President and countless other leaders around the world. Blowing a few buildings up is nothing.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

There's nothing of substance in the OP! Surely you can pick out the key details for us? Mentioning the key, juicy facts this video is based on? They say it was all the con... but what evidence did they present? There must have been some compelling stuff, if it convinced you... that compelling stuff can't be too hard to relay .

I've given you the link, stop being lazy. There's too much for me to précis any more than I have.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Right, so JFK was an inside job?

Yes.

I've researched the JFK assassination for the last 15 years, I'm in no doubt.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

What you wrote isn't a précis . I'm trying to give you a fair crack of the whip, ffs, rather than screaming tin foil hat... but I really can't be bothered to watch a TWO HOUR internet film that they only supporter of can't be bothered to discuss in ANY DETAIL whatsoever!

No, you're being lazy. Watch it - then come back and contribute to the thread.

What's happening is exactly what I didn't want. People casting judgement without watching the movie.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

*sigh*

"I don't have an argument I can articulate! All I have is a video which seems plausible and makes me look edgy. You've all got closed minds! I'm the only open minded one here".

Seriously, you're giving the impression you have less than average intelligence.

See my post above. Happy to discuss when people have made the effort to watch it and are on a level playing field.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

I suppose it's hard to let go after so long .

So who did that? Why? How do you know?

Who did it, as in who pulled the triggers, is less important than why they did it.

How do I know? Because I am a former CID trained Royal Military Police Special Investigation Branch Detective Sergeant with 14 years experience as a criminal investigator. I've read the official Warren Commission Report covers to covers and just about every single book ever written on the subject. I stay in regular touch with published authors on the subject.

I am in no doubt whatsoever that Kennedy was assassinated. He wanted peace. There's nothing more to it than that.

I'm happy to discuss this in another thread, but please don't de-rail this, and please don't treat me as though I am stupid.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

You're not happy to discuss at all. You, yourself, haven't attempted to make a single argument, or point of discussion in this thread at all. All you've done is post a video and go HA! LOOK AT THAT!

That's not a discussion.

If you have a grown-up argument to make, make it like a grown-up.

If you need some handy tips on what an argument looks like, it's a little like this:

• Here's some primary evidence
• Here's some more primary evidence
• Here's some interesting secondary evidence
• Drawing these together, I assert conclusion X.
• What does everyone else think?

(Youtube videos, in this case, aren't primary evidence.)

I don't have to make an argument you idiot. I wanted everyone to watch the video from start to finish then come back and discuss it with an open mind.

Don't talk about being grown up when you clearly aren't.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

This is the very first time I have heard this theory on these forums.
I really can't believe it hasn't been mentioned before.

If even you are posting like that then I'll just give up now.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

I know this, because you posted a youtube video and then called everyone who decried it for being (yet another) stupid youtube video as being 'closed minded'. It's a carbon copy clone of every single other stupid "9/11 THE GOVERNMENT DID IT!" thread.

So does that mean the Government didn't do it? Or does the weight of people suggesting that they did indicate that it's worthy of further consideration?

The world would be better off if people actually could think for themselves, and were capable of having a discussion. Sadly, we've got bandwagons, and people who like to jump on those bandwagons.

I haven't decided one way or the other. I watched it with an open mind and encourage others to do likewise. Draw your own conclusions - I've not told anyone how to think.

This is a waste of time. Thanks for letting the world know that a significant part of your worldview appears to be shaped by crackpots posting on youtube though. Good info.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

As I said, it's not worth it.

You're right.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

A conspiracy theorist ignoring sound reasoning? Well now I've seen everything.

Aah - I see. I must be a nutter and wrong then because I am open to the possibility that Governments doesn't always act in our best interests?

It's very easy for you and others to label and decry. As I've said, I haven't told any of you what to think. I posted a link to a movie and asked you to view it with an open mind. None of you can be arsed. That says far more about you then it does about me.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

I had it on for the last twenty minutes. There was nothing captivating.

Watch it to the end.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

It is rather late I suppose but he has asked to watch this particular film and then come back and discuss. He hassn't shared his opinion other than it's interesting.

But some people don't seem too happy that he hassn't provided his own opinion.



I suppose if you watched the film he'll be happy to discuss the merits and flaws of it.

Edit - That clears that up AH2. You have done already.

I didn't feel the need to. I felt that if I posted my view before people watched the movie, then they'd just attack my view instead of watching the movie and forming their own.

I actually regret having posted this thread at all. I had hoped for some serious discussion, I should have known better.

Silly me.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

I never called you a nutter. I was reacting to you putting a guy on ignore for no good reason.

I put him on ignore because I don't tolerate fools gladly. He isn't worth me risking a ban for, so I'm sure you'll recognise that was actually a sensible thing to do. Or perhaps the Mods will.

It's 2 hours long, it's going on 1am and it's almost certainly complete bs. That's why people aren't watching it right now.

That tells me all I need to know about you. It could be watched tomorrow, but you've pre-judged it already.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

To be honest I got as far as where they started trying to make out Charlie Sheen was some kind of authority of the situation and decided my brains might fall out if I continued to open my mind in such a fashion.

You are being disingenuous. Charlie Sheen merely called a radio show and asked questions. He wasn't being held up as an authority.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

No, I don't want to spend a quarter of the night, or fifteen years of my life, watching docs which don't present anything new.

If this thing had a number of interesting points you agreed with, you'd post them... but in reality it's probably just a meandering piece of rubbish (the first twenty minutes was).

It's a bit like a Will Self vs Richard Littlejohn radio transcript I once read. The were both on Radio 5 (I think), as they both had books out... Will Self commented on Richard Littlejohn's book, laying into it massively.

I disagree.

I thought it was fascinating:

1. The eye witness accounts that there were multiple controlled demolitions in both of the towers

2. Tower 7 being demolished with explosives (one eye witness, a fireman, stating that he could see the explosions initiating on each floor).

3. The convenient military air defence exercise scheduled at the exact same time simulating the exact same attack, which meant reports weren't taken seriously or acted upon quickly enough.

4. The footage from the school where George Bush was, in which he looked completely unsurprised when told of the news, and further, the absolute inaction of the Secret Service in removing him immediately to a safe location.

5. The clip that Able Danger informed the FBI of the existence of the supposed terrorist cells well in advance. When Lt Col Shaffer went public with the information his career was destroyed.

6. The frankly obscene restrictions placed upon the 9/11 committee by the Bush Administration which prevented them having full and unrestricted view of classified information.

etc. etc. etc.

Does each snippet prove anything in isolation? No, of course not. When viewed collectively, it's a different story. What I find fascinating is that all of the eye witness material was captured at the time. I know very well that sometimes eye witnesses get things wrong, but that many witnesses aren't all wrong.

It's worthy of further consideration IMHO.

I'm off to bed. Will check again in the morning to see what wonderful new names I've been called.