The UN says the EU migrant crisis is largely the EU's own fault.

Arazi said:
Tell us something we don't know, so seeing as the UN has accused the EU of it's own failings why can't the people responsible (Merkel) be held to account?

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=53341#.VtW2rJyLTWI

"1 March 2016 – Europe faces an imminent humanitarian crisis, largely of its own making, following a rapid build-up of people in already over-stretched Greece, the United Nations refugee agency warned today."
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Yep, spot on. The total and utter failure to secure the borders of the EU and borders within the EU. And failing that the utter failure to come to any comprehensive policy as what to do when that utter lack of any policy came to its inevitable conclusion.

Conclusion: the EU is a lackadaisical joke.
 
Chojin said:
Obama started it by arming 'moderate rebels' creating the turmoil in Syria, giving the likes of Merkel a perfect excuse to makes things even worse.
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Quite. Everyone seems to forget the US place in all this. The bulk of the migration flow is from countries where the US has been putting into practice their questionable foreign policy.
 
Britain has sent another naval vessel to the Aegean.
Supposedly it's for reconnaissance on people smuggling activities, but I give it a month at best before it, like the others we have supplied, are used to taxi migrants safely ashore. It seems an ideal vessel to load large numbers of people on to, and not one built to engage smugglers with. So far the British vessels already there have picked up over *SIX THOUSAND* migrants off the sea and ferried them safely ashore. I thought we were there to deter or stop them? We have navy personnel on Border Force vessels, quite why I have no idea. Is this what the British taxpayer has trained them for? Not a single migrant appears to have been returned to their place of embarkation.

If we returned them they'd soon run out of money for the people smugglers, word would spread and far fewer would then chance their arm coming to Europe illegally. I personally think a very small proportion are true refugees and the vast majority are economic migrants out for the main chance in northern Europe. The ones already enjoying a free lunch in Europe, (and bed, breakfast, dinner and housing, too) are now sending for their offspring and family. It's sheer and utter madness, Lemming like behaviour from the weak "leaders" of many European countries, and a legacy to your children that will probably start anarchy, if not a major European war.
 
Tefal said:
It just occured to me i know a girl who lives in cologne asked her if things are as bad as our media makes out or if its all exagerated her response was

"I don't go out when its dark any more"


...kinda says it all
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Is this girl, by any chance, your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate?

I was in their old town last Thursday evening and I could not find seats in any restaurant.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I personally think a very small proportion are true refugees and the vast majority are economic migrants out for the main chance in northern Europe.
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And that is the problem....you, and a lot of other people, are making this assumption based on gut feeling rather than facts.

Instead of making an (incorrect) assumption, why don't you look for the information yourself? It took me 2 seconds to google

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34131911

1. Which countries are migrants from?

The conflict in Syria continues to be by far the biggest driver of migration. But the ongoing violence in Afghanistan and Iraq, abuses in Eritrea, as well as poverty in Kosovo, are also leading people to look for new lives elsewhere.
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So no, while there are legal and illegal economic migrants that are entering Europe, the vast majority are refugees fleeing war zones.

Scorza said:
I dunno either, it's not that easy to track I guess - at least 100 I would guess have died crossing the Med.
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Well the link above says 3,770 reported deaths in 2015 from crossing the Med
 
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Is this the BBC that despite the fact the father of the drowned kid they plastered all over their extensive media was an economic migrant, "fleeing" a home and a job in a safe country, for greed and perceived economic gains in Europe, made out he was a refugee? The one who thought a rubber dinghy a suitable vessel for his beloved? I don't think I can trust their biased agenda any more than I did before that diabolical abuse of their powers. In fact I trust it far less. The lefties and Liberals that run the corporation can't conceive their beloved European Union has fallen apart at the seams and a large swathe of the indigenous European population feel they are under invasion. They continue with bias and an obvious political agenda.
 
Except they say where the sources of data come from...so if you don't believe the article, you can always trace the data back to the original source.

So here we are again, uninformed opinion is touted as fact, actual data is presented, and it's discarded out of hand, brilliant :rolleyes:

How the hell are we going to have an informed debate when one half doesn't even seem to want to know any facts
 
Does anyone have stats on the ratio of deaths to successful crossing to Greece? I keep seeing people use the risk of the crossing to support how they must be fleeing danger, but I’d like to know exactly what the chances of making the crossing successfully are.
 
People seem to forget a lot of these people have the means to travel conventionally, but you need papers, which might be an issue if you are pretending to be an asylum seeker...
 
Freakbro said:
And that is the problem....you, and a lot of other people, are making this assumption based on gut feeling rather than facts.

Instead of making an (incorrect) assumption, why don't you look for the information yourself? It took me 2 seconds to google

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34131911
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but those charts are wildly inaccurate, and cannot be accurate given the nature of the situation.

they firstly are only for those applying for asylum, so not the large groups of illegal migrants moving without application.

secondly their origin is simply their word as they have no papers.
 
Tefal said:
but those charts are wildly inaccurate, and cannot be accurate given the nature of the situation.

they firstly are only for those applying for asylum, so not the large groups of illegal migrants moving without application.

secondly their origin is simply their word as they have no papers.
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Correct, and abusing the system to the maximum, and they all know it, they know the EU is weak, and then a lot of them show no respect to the laws etc of the country they land in.

Besides the genuine refugee's among them there is a lot of scum with them, and we are falling for it or having it pushed on us regardless.
 
Finally - the UN agrees with what I've been saying the last 18 months....

Should have given Turkey/Greece etc extra money to process properly instead of the mess created by Angela Merkel.
 
Tefal said:
but those charts are wildly inaccurate, and cannot be accurate given the nature of the situation.

they firstly are only for those applying for asylum, so not the large groups of illegal migrants moving without application.

secondly their origin is simply their word as they have no papers.
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Millions have crossed from Syria straight into Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan.

Even a relatively small proportion of these trying to get into the EU is a huge number. The numbers don't seem exaggerated to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
 
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The EU migrant crisis, is more the fault of the US and UK, for arming and creating ISIS, along with bombing the innocent people.............
 
muon said:
Millions have crossed from Syria straight into Turkey.

Even a relatively small proportion of these trying to get into the EU is a huge number. The numbers don't seem exaggerated to me.
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exaggerated?

they're way too small is the point. because they're only the ones officially applying.
 
Tefal said:
exaggerated?

they're way too small is the point. because they're only the ones officially applying.
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My point is it suggests these aren't opportunistic migrants.

They have been driven outwards into neighbouring countries, from where they are trying to enter the EU.
 
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