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just checked a few sites and there seems to be loads of 64's in stock just no one is buying .. prices will have to drop .. but that's a good thing
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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.
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Yup, they've had the
56 is def the better buy atm
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56 is now 390 pound or 499 for the pack
Very happy to wait until AIB models come out.
Very happy to wait until AIB models come out.
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Thery might end up cheaper than the 1070/80s with their incoming price increase. 
Some of us have refused to buy either *sync, because being locked into either of them is clearly a terrible idea
You are not trapped in anything with Freesync. It doesent really cost you anything vs monitor without it. In Gsync you are trapped as you paid 200 extra for it. If you bought Freesync monitor, you just bought a monitor with extra goodies. And if you are are even little bit tech savy you buy 56, undelvolt it and enjoy better performance than 1080 with little over 1070 powerconsumption. Dont really see how that is aweful?
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Yet all we are hearing is "had to buy Vega because of freesync"...
Reminds me of the days of SLi or CrossFire only motherboards.
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If people insist on buying a bad product ie AMD's Vega gpu because they have a Freesync monitor that's on them but there's no reason why they need to do it, The monitor will work just as well with either brand of gpu minus the adaptive-sync tech. I'm running a 75hz Freesync monitor with an Nvidia gpu using Fastsync and the gaming experience is as good as ever.
Some of us have refused to buy either *sync, because being locked into either of them is clearly a terrible idea
I don't think that really counts for much if you're not paying much of a premium for the adaptive sync tech. You often find as much as a £200 difference between matching G-sync and Freesink monitors.
I'm currently running a Freesync monitor with an Nvidia gpu with Faststink enabled and I've had zero issues, The monitor has the same 75hz maximum either way,
Add to that how I've only once in the last couple of months noticed a game with the need for a working adaptive sync tech and I'm not losing out on much.
However, If I'd paying a premium for G-sync and then wasn't using it I'd be fuming.
At the end of the day if you're buying a new monitor not buying an adaptive-sync model because you don't want to commit one way or the other makes no sense to me.
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It's not a good product at the moment, I've ended up buying a 1080 but once they release AIB's and are given time to get the drivers sorted there may be a product worth buying. I'll also be keeping an eye on which revision we see in the AIB's.
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Well to be fair the 64's were never really out of stock... They could be found in most places, they were just too expensive (and not 700£ expensive, less) or in combo packs and whatnot, there wasn't really a stock shortage, just the prices were f'ed up (because of a shortage apparently lol go figure)... The 56 hasn't seemed to really suffer from any major shortage either (except the fact that some countries didn't get any on launch day lol) but they are also overpriced for a ref design (if you factor out the OCing and fiddling around). The best bet is waiting for the 56 AIBs
Wait, what you are talking about are 2 different problems there ! The fact that g-sync has to be paid for and freesync not (well next to nothing) is pretty much irrelevant, you are still locked in to a sync tech whether you paid for it not, be it g-sync or freesync, the difference is some are just willing to pay and be locked in to a tech and others don't mind to be locked in to a tech if they aren't paying for it, it doesn't make the fact of being locked in any different ...
But we must not forget that Nvidia did introduce their sync tech first and could justify a premium, and quite a bit of time before AMD and even more time before Freesync was really a viable solution, so we can't really fault Nvidia for taking advantage of a situation and AMD playing catching up, but what would be good for consumers would be that Nvidia support freesync, I'm sure they could find a ways to limit the freesync to still make g-sync more appealing if they wanted to.
Or second best option, manufacturers bring out screens that are g-sync and freesync compatible. (don't think that exists yet ? but that is what I would definitely buy at this point in time if I wanted a screen)
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...vega-56-und-vega-64-im-undervolting-test.html
But person buying Freesync monitor is clearly not willing to pay the ripoff prive Nvidia wants them to pay (when same technology could be given by FREE from Nvidia...). And also that person hasnt propably lost anything when he decided to buy Freesync monitor vs monitor wihout Freesync. Freesync is more like added value for your monitor. And now you can use RX470--> or GTX 1060--> "new" sync methods to reduce tearing on any screen. Tripple buffering gives huge benefit on screen tearing.
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I don't see Gsync as a rip off, in fact the total opposite. Sync tech has been a game changer for me and seeing as Nvidia has had the fastest gpu for the last few generations Gsync has been an excellent investment.
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Yep,did a budget build for a mate a few months ago,and looking at the reviews one of the best sub £150 monitors for gaming was a £100ish FreeSync one. He does have an RX570,but even if he got a Nvidia card,I would have got it since it was a solid budget monitor. It has decentish colour and good speed for a cheapo monitor.
The problem is a lot here are the type who will spend £500+ on a graphics card like a GTX1080TI(or even some of expensive AMD ones in the past),so for them a few £100 extra on a monitor is nothing. This is a PC enthusiast forum after all.
As I said something being free doesn't mean you are less locked in, having to pay a tech is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to being tied to a tech, that is two different problems, unless you are willing to either buy a screen every time you buy a GPU of have 2 screens you are locked in to a tech, there are no 2 ways around that fact, and the amount of people saying that they didn't have any choice but to buy vega because of freesync if proof of that, and having no other choice because of a tech is bad for consumers, even if the tech is free you are locking yourself to a brand that is the whole point of sync technologies, locking you into a brand.
If you are talking about being tied into a tech, the person buying a freesync monitor is loosing "as much" when it comes to choices as a person buying a g-sync monitor, because they are both loosing GPU options that are capable of using their chosen tech.
Even if they were selling screens cheaper with freesync than the exact same screen without freesync, it doesn't make you less tied in, and it is still reducing your GPU purchase options if you want to benefit from the tech, that is a undeniable fact and that is how the sync tech should be looked at.
As I said the screen manufacturer that starts producing screens that are freesync and gsync capable will very likely gain market share in the screen sector, even with a gsync premium cost (that being said I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia is making that impossible with a contract).
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Sorry but I don't agree you are locked in anything - I did a budget build a few months ago. One of the best budget gaming monitors happened to have FreeSync on it. So are you telling me for £100 I should not specify that monitor if I used a Nvidia card instead??
The only other alternative would be a non-FreeSync monitor which might have been worse for gaming looking at the reviews.
That makes no sense dude.
In the end you should always make sure the monitor you are looking at is a solid monitor first and then the FreeSync/Gsync part is an added extra on top.
This. I won't be buying any adapative display monitor until the lock out with one manufacturer or another is gone.
Vega has highlighted the exact issue that the g-sync/"free"sync lock out has. You get almost forced to buy a worse graphics card because of it. You had people spending £600 or more on AIO Vega 64's when that money could have got you the 30% better performing 1080ti. Madness.
Many people on here with freesync were waiting for Vega for over a year, only for it to be a massive dissapointment and for AMD to release cards with the same price/performance that we have had for 12 months from Nvidia.
You people do realize that the whole point of each brand having their sync tech is to lock you into a brand right if you want to use that said tech? Just that Nvidia started it before and set the tone for the future market, and didn't want to adopt an industry standard (which isn't a good thing by any means) but it doesn't change the fact that you are locked in if you want to use a sync tech, and to be honest AMD are probably very happy that Nvidia won't support the industry standard otherwise they would be f'ed