Opinion aside, this gives no right to start trashing what the rep has said. You may disagree - that's fine. Consider this a polite warning.
**The Wait is Over- FIRST WAVE of Gigabyte Pascal Laptops Arrived**
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Opinion aside, this gives no right to start trashing what the rep has said. You may disagree - that's fine. Consider this a polite warning.
hi spikerules,
With respect, we were not making a flawed argument, simply telling you a reason why we haven't got TB3 at this moment, from our perspective and not drawing comparison to MSI's units.
It is not just a case of installing another port, mainboards need to be redesigned and re-engineered and manufactured. Along with chassis to a certain degree.
We have to make judgement calls as to weather we come to market on time with a new Generation GPU, and sacrifice other things, or if we delay, have nothing and come late.
Gigabyte has not been "on time" in the past, and for some people, our product wont have everything they want, and they will purchase something else. We accept this. For others it will meet and exceed their requirements.
Hence why we made this decision.
As vendor reps on OCUK forums, we endeavour to provide accurate information and support, direct to our customers and potential customers.
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Gigabyte UK NB Team
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We aren't allowed to express an opinion? There are literally many here that agree with me. More agree that lack of TB3 is really bad... Lack of ports on a laptop is a BIG no no, especially when the missing port could extend the lifespan of your laptop by a large margin.
Anyways I've said enough on the subject. Hopefully many will heed my advice (along with countless others here whom agree) and not waste their money on a new laptop FROM ANY VENDOR without TB3 as an option.
Its more the manner you expressed it than having an opinion.
It is somewhat difficult to compare like to like as well as some of the GB laptops are considerably less chunky than the roughly equivalent MSI and/or have a better GPU i.e. 1070 v 1060 when otherwise equivalent in bulk or price, etc. which may have some implications for the additional connectors.
It is somewhat difficult to compare like to like as well as some of the GB laptops are considerably less chunky than the roughly equivalent MSI and/or have a better GPU i.e. 1070 v 1060 when otherwise equivalent in bulk or price, etc. which may have some implications for the additional connectors.
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I think I will judge these laptops on their merits rather than being concerned with what they don't have.
Key factor for me will be fan noise and I will wait for some reviews before passing judgement.
At this point in time, TB3 is a nice-to-have rather than an essential component. Aside from the few early adopters who want external graphics enclosures, I would guess that TB3 is a few years from becoming mainstream and not going to make or break these laptops.
Key factor for me will be fan noise and I will wait for some reviews before passing judgement.
At this point in time, TB3 is a nice-to-have rather than an essential component. Aside from the few early adopters who want external graphics enclosures, I would guess that TB3 is a few years from becoming mainstream and not going to make or break these laptops.
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Not just external graphics enclosures, but hard drive connections, thunderbolt monitors etc... Plus it's a joint USB-C and TB3 connection. It's not a nice-to-have at this point. It's more of a No-brainer IMO.
When I see an injustice and poor response from a rep then I have to reply with what I feel. Sometimes I get too hot headed, which I sometimes regret. In this situation I don't regret what I said, but I do regret the tone. The simple fact is that Gigabyte left out TB3 because of the cost to them. It isn't the size of the chassis (tb3 in MSI stealth) and it's not HDMI 2.0 (it's common to have this port on any vendors laptop) or even increasing the price of the laptop (very competitive vendors have same price laptops with TB3).
Poor replies sometimes demand a harsh tone in reply.
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The ability to use it for external GPUs is certainly a significant point - one of the things that bugs me a little about my current laptop is that the CPU and RAM, etc. still do pretty well but the internal GPU isn't easily replaceable and somewhat behind the times these days (it functions a lot in a desktop replacement role).
From what I can see GB's equivalents to the stealth have a 1070 over the 1060 in the stealth however which is going to have some consideration for how space is used inside the chassis with the extra heat, etc. involved.
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Erm.... but i already buy and use monitors and external hard drives now and i don't have TB3.
I'm not sure i can envisage any scenario for the next 5 years where i would need a HDD or monitor that connects via TB3 only.
I'm not sure i can envisage any scenario for the next 5 years where i would need a HDD or monitor that connects via TB3 only.
You may be expressing an opinion but your putting it across like a bell which is probably why you were pulled up on it.
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Okay but logically if it were there for free, you'd still go with a Gigabyte even though all other vendors have TB3 for the same price? Seems illogical?
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It's the same for most vendors. The stealth is more expensive as it is slim line. Any slim chassis has a premium on it. You could go for an equivalent like for like for the same price... like for like being a gigabyte without TB3 and MSI with for a similar price.
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GB's slim model that is closest to the MSI though in price and chassis has the 1070 and the model that has the 1060 like the MSI is quite a bit cheaper - if someone doesn't have a use for TB3 that might be worthwhile for them - though its a shame they don't have a model that does have TB3 as well.
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Yes, I would certainly consider it a plus - but if the Gigabyte product is better in most other areas then i wouldn't miss not having it.
It might tip the balance in favour of TB3 if the GB product and another product are on par with each other, but its not a strong deciding factor.
I'm not going to turn my back on a Gigabyte laptop just because its missing a port, I'd make an informed decision and carefully review my options rather than saying - "it doesnt have TB3 therefore i wont even consider it".
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Yes, it is slightly cheaper, but has no TB3, doesn't have 120Hz screen and is slightly heavier and thicker than the MSI. Also the MSI screen is 17.3 inch compared to the Gigabytes 15.6"!
I mean the Gigabyte even has a Type-C connector, which on the MSI doubles as TB3 connection. So the Gigabyte reps excuse about saving space and chassis design is again nonsense...
That's your decision. A wrong one IMO (and many's opinion), but I would personally pay more for TB3 and I would not even consider a laptop without one. I guarantee that reviews on the Gigabytes will list no TB3 as a negative.
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TB3 would also require extra circuitry inside - though I don't know off the top of my head how much would be on the mainboard anyhow and/or the space still there for it even if the components weren't soldered on.
Can't disagree in that TB3 would be all but essential if I was buying again - but then my laptop largely serves as a desktop replacement.
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Yes agreed internally it might use some more space compared to not having it (are we sure on this though?), but how are MSI doing it with lighter and smaller laptops?
Although I am in total agreement with you regarding thunderbolt3 and its ability to extend the life of any laptop through egpu etc. I believe atom already explained.... adding a tb3 port would have required a redesign of the mainboard in order to accommodate it and the 1070 they use (as apposed to the 1060 in the msi) and this would have delayed there release to the market.
It would have been much worse to release a laptop 3months+ later to market then to release one now with no tb3 as most people, I imagine, will want a laptop with a 1070 rather than a 1060 and not be thinking about the potential egpu upgrades that will extend the laptop lifespan.
thats my guess anyway
Thanks Tr1pp,
You are correct, and also highlight something important, mentioned earlier in the thread - Our P35X is slim chassis has GTX1070 on board, whereas we believe other brands haven't developed the thinner profile chassis with this GPU, just go up to GTX1060.
Certainly nothing listed yet anyway.
Our P35 model still accommodates an optical drive (hot swappable for storage expansion) - important to some, not to others - that's way we developed the hot-swap element.
Everyone has different opinions, and priorities, some want pure grunt and power, some want mobility, some want subtle design, some want garish design, some want the most expensive (thinking its the best), some want the cheapest (thinking it the best value),,,,, some need certain connection ports, some do not.... the list goes on.
We prioritised bringing 2 models to market with GTX1070, on time - P57X (thicker chassis) and P35X (slim chassis)
Our P55W - with GTX1060 will be here soon.
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Gigabyte UK NB Team