The Woman King (2022)

ianh said:
I would suggest that the talk isn't so much about it being "non factual", as films have always twisted history, but more changing the facts so that people who we all acknowledge as "The Bad Guys" have had their history changed to make them into the "The Good Guys" and film then wants us to support "The Bad Guys who have now been changed into Good Guys". I would say that makes the difference between this and virtually every other "based on true events which have been twisted to make a film" movie where the bad guys remain the bad guys.

We had the fictional story of the Dora Milaje in Black Panther, who were based on Agojie, and no-one complained about them to this extent, because the story was fictional so most people seem to be OK with strong black women fighters which is why I'm very surprised that Maria Bello, the white middle aged female writer of this film who was the driving force behind getting it made, after seeing the positive response the Dora Milaje had already got, was willing to leave behind her liberal/progressive mind-set in a deliberate effort to tell the story of these slave traders by making them into "The Good Guys".

I do wonder if, although unlikely, the project hadn't been so heavily pushed as "Based on True Events" etc and had instead started with "A fictionalised account based around True Events." (kind of like the 300 movie did vs the 300 reality - I know the movie was based on the graphic novel) that the reception might have been better, but I really do struggle with the studio's understanding of making bad people into good people to sell your movie, how was that ever going to be a good idea?
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I'm waiting for the Adolf Hitler story. That of a brave artist whose vision of a beautiful and united people was foiled by those pesky Jews and the foul Westerners who just couldn't stand to see a noble race making it on their own.
 
C Kent said:
It's fairly common knowledge
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Oh sure, everyone educated in the UK knows all about the Kingdom of Dahomey in Africa during the 18th and 19th century....

It's such well known history that in the entire life of the forums, it was only mentioned once, in 2019, before this thread appeared.
 
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It's common knowledge that slaves were sold to white slave traders, or are you one of those people that thought white people just went slave fishing in Africa and rounded up hundreds of thousands of black people without a care in the world..
 
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Efour said:
Why didn't they just make it original.
Pretending is based on real events, when in reality they seemed to be a bunch of cannabis that were fully invested in the slave trade....

Weird choice. I think they missed an opportunity tbh.

I don't think I'm too bothered about seeing it until it comes to streaming.
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It's done intentionally, they know what they're doing. Doesn't matter if it's history or a known franchise with well established lore and characters.
 
VincentHanna said:
Oh sure, everyone educated in the UK knows all about the Kingdom of Dahomey in Africa during the 18th and 19th century....
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:D Yeap, without a specific reason to know before hand the general public wouldn't have known anything about them.....................had there not been a highly publicised film released to great fanfare which tried to make them out to be "heroes" instead of what we would now call "villains".

The real problem, which is consistently ignored, is that a couple of white liberal women made a film which attempted to change the history of an African Nation just because they (as white liberal women) wanted to make a story about brave black women fighting evil white people - only instead of making up a fictional story (which worked well for Black Panther) they instead picked real people to based the movie on, but they were too lazy (or ideologically blind) to do 5 minutes of research first, and still never bothered even after one of the stars quit after doing her own research.

Then the 2nd issue is that they assumed everyone else would be just as lazy (or ideologically blind) as them and that no-one would do 5 minutes of research to reveal "the truth" and now a huge portion of the world knows how bad these people were leading to the movies popularity rapidly dropping off a cliff (42% drop in sales after 1 week) after this information hit Social Media, with most of the complaints coming unsurprisingly from black people.

In the end, whilst attempting to help push up black women - who some folks believe are incapable of doing well unless a white liberal woman is helping them - what these two white women have actually done is instead seriously hurt any future attempts by black actors, producers, directors etc to get another "black female led action film" made. Slow..........Clap!!!!

So as always, and as Malcom X pointed out many many many times, the biggest "enemy" to black people is, yet again, white liberals with a saviour complex.
 
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Anyone got box office numbers? Keep getting mixed numbers.

Budget between 50-90million dependant on which website you believe.

What's the calculation again for break even? X2 or is it now x3?
 
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The Woman King (2022) - Financial Information

Financial analysis of The Woman King (2022) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
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This gives lots more financial info, with the daily domestic box office figures at the bottom of the screen. It'll make back it's $50m "filming" budget OK but looks like it will struggle to actually make profit once advertising costs (another $50m) are added, making for a $100m total.

It made around $19m opening weekend, then $8m in the 2nd weekend, then $4m last weekend so it's definitely running out of steam as it's halving it earnings every weekend (where all films make the most money) which is why I think it'll struggle.
 
The drop off isn't bad as a lot of films tend to hit 65% certainly looks to be a box office failure tho.

Investors won't be happy.
 
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VincentHanna said:
Oh sure, everyone educated in the UK knows all about the Kingdom of Dahomey in Africa during the 18th and 19th century....
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There's like these things and they're called "books" and they're real and you can touch them and you can read them and learn stuff and that, and then there's like this other thing that's not real and you can't touch it, and its called the "internet" and you can go on it, and type stuff and it takes you to other places on the "internet" that you can also read and learn stuff...
 
the shadow said:
I just saw the movie today I honestly enjoyed watching it
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Me too, was very surprised. I thorough enjoyed this movie. Hope Black Panther is half as good as this and I would be happy. Lashana Lynch was brilliant and imo would have been a much better than the wee girl they picked for thr female Black Panther.
 
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Had 2 free cineworld tickets expiring. Nothing else to see. (man, cinema is garbage now).

Pleasantly surprised. Not something I'd normally watch. Good solid 7-8.

Wasn't sure how much was true though.
 
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