Theory

hendrix · 14 May 2007 at 10:55

dcolyer said:
you could just attach radio transmitter/recievers to each end in the gap allowing instantaneous communication between the 2 sides.

What's wrong with just using radio transmitters/recievers without the big pole?

or by that matter, what's wrong with what we use now to communicate with the mars rovers + satelites

Conscript · 14 May 2007 at 10:56

Gilly said:
Which he's failed at by using relay stations.

Indeed. The whole thing is pointless.

Gilly · 14 May 2007 at 10:56

ArmyofHarmony said:
I was about to post the same thing Six,

theres no reason to use poles, lol...

I got there first

Conscript said:
Indeed. The whole thing is pointless.

Somehow I doubt he's going to accept that

Conscript · 14 May 2007 at 10:57

Also, who are we going to communicate with?

Gilly · 14 May 2007 at 10:59

Conscript said:
Also, who are we going to communicate with?

Going on the last line of the OP, it would be us speaking to us.

Also, with our Universe ever-moving, how would you find two places (or lots and lots of places along a straight line if using multiple poles) that aren't moving at all?

Helium_Junkie · 14 May 2007 at 11:01

And lets be honest, by the time it would take to complete such construction the need probably would have been lost somehow.

Barbie · 14 May 2007 at 11:02

The motion of the poles when nudged ever so slightly will not travel to the end instantaneously, it will still be limited by the speed of light. I know it sounds counter-intutitive, but the pole will actually contract until the pulse has reached the other end and made that move.

So you might as well use radiowaves anyway

Mr-White · 14 May 2007 at 11:02

wouldn't it be better to just invest more money into teleportaton research ?

MW

Six6siX · 14 May 2007 at 11:03

I have a vision of people talking to each other down used kitchen roll tubes sellotaped together...

Surely methods using fibre optics to transmit audio signals for communication would be a better method if you are going to go through the effort of laying out tubes stretching obscene distances?

dcolyer · 14 May 2007 at 11:06

a radio transmition between a distance of one lightyear would take one year.

If there was a pole between it it would be instant.

if the pole was split up once with relay stations it would be instant but halving the mass needed to move.

Zip · 14 May 2007 at 11:07

Zip said:
Is this like the theory based on those metal balls you get in doctors offices?

Well is it?

Barbie · 14 May 2007 at 11:08

That's the whole problem though, the pole wouldn't be instant either, it is still limited by relativity.

Assuming you could build a material that was completely rigid, the "pulse" generated when you pushed on one end of the rod would travel at the speed of light to the other end.

With your 1 light long rod, the rod would be shorted by the amount you pushed it for a year until the other end moved.

Helium_Junkie · 14 May 2007 at 11:08

dcolyer said:
if the pole was split up once with relay stations it would be instant but halving the mass needed to move.

What makes you think a relay station would still be instant? Radio wave = not instant, relay station mechanics of receiving signal and acting on it = not instant.
Fast maybe, but by no stretch of the imagination instant, or the pole is completely superfluous.

manoz · 14 May 2007 at 11:08

Barbie said:
The motion of the poles when nudged ever so slightly will not travel to the end instantaneously, it will still be limited by the speed of light. I know it sounds counter-intutitive, but the pole will actually contract until the pulse has reached the other end and made that move.

So you might as well use radiowaves anyway

Why would it be limited by the speed of light, stuff can travel faster then the speed of light you know

Gilly · 14 May 2007 at 11:09

Zip said:
Well is it?

No

manoz said:
Why would it be limited by the speed of light, stuff can move faster then the speed of light you know

Stuff? What stuff?

dcolyer said:
a radio transmition between a distance of one lightyear would take one year.

If there was a pole between it it would be instant.

if the pole was split up once with relay stations it would be instant but halving the mass needed to move.

None of this is correct. Your theory is based on inaccuracies.

hendrix · 14 May 2007 at 11:09

dcolyer said:
a radio transmition between a distance of one lightyear would take one year.

If there was a pole between it it would be instant.

if the pole was split up once with relay stations it would be instant but halving the mass needed to move.

Nonsense!

I'd like to see a pole that is 10^12 km long for a start.

dcolyer · 14 May 2007 at 11:10

just remember the carrot anology - it all moves at the same time as it is one entity.

if it didn't the earth would surely squash itself from moving round and round constantly.

I posted this theory on a christian website too and they arn't taking it kindly either - I guess you people and christians have a lot in common.

megakid · 14 May 2007 at 11:10

Surely the whole concept is pointless, regardless of whether you could find two points that dont move etc etc etc because for vibrations to permetate a pole that long, it would be longer than simply sending a radio wave.

IE if it this pole was a light year long, from the time you push/pull one end, it would take longer than a light year to see the message at the other.
Simply down to the molecules being slow to transmit the energy.
Radio waves dont use molecules so they're going to be far faster than anything involving molecules

hendrix · 14 May 2007 at 11:12

dcolyer said:
just remember the carrot anology - it all moves at the same time as it is one entity.

if it didn't the earth would surely squash itself from moving round and round constantly.

I posted this theory on a christian website too and they arn't taking it kindly either - I guess you people and christians have a lot in common.

Well considering there are a fair few physicists and mathematicians on here as well as christians, I think everyone can say how terrible that 'theory' is.

Gilly · 14 May 2007 at 11:13

dcolyer said:
just remember the carrot anology - it all moves at the same time as it is one entity.

No it doesn't.

dcolyer said:
if it didn't the earth would surely squash itself from moving round and round constantly.

There are other forces at work there.

dcolyer said:
I posted this theory on a christian website too and they arn't taking it kindly either - I guess you people and christians have a lot in common.

That makes as much sense as your theory.