There is a guy using a hose pipe in his garden

What burden of proof does someone reporting someone else need? Surely ultimately it's their word against yours unless they film you (even then you could ask them to prove it was filmed during the ban)?
 
Depends what your neighbor is like. If its like the op, hell probably film it and hand it over.

Hand it over to whom? The water company? The police?

Thames Water have already said they will spend not a single penny on prosecuting anyone, the police have got better things to do and as I said earlier the courts can't carry out investigations themselves, only judge on cases brought before them by other people.

In reality, the only way people will actually get fined is if their neighbours take them to court personally, incurring the court costs and legal fees along the way (which I dare say will be more than a grand) so how likely is it that anyone is actually going to get fined? Zero I'd say.

Then there's the burden of proof problem, unless you have some kind of photographic evidence it's one man's word against another's. Even if you have photographic evidence, how do you prove it was filmed during the ban and not before?
 
Not doing anything, not even issusing a hosepipe ban for example?

Desalination should we end up having to go that way will cost US money in higher bills

Fining water cos? Say what! Maybe the government should fine the weather for basically not raining at normal levels over the winter.

I hear the Sahara doesnt have a hosepipe ban either, clear evidence that UK water companies are inept.

Issuing a hosepipe ban is the consequence.

It will obviously cost more but all our water wouldnt need to come from it all year round.

The less said about that comment the better :rolleyes:

Being fined for the water leaks maybe.
 
Hand it over to whom? The water company? The police?

Thames Water have already said they will spend not a single penny on prosecuting anyone, the police have got better things to do and as I said earlier the courts can't carry out investigations themselves, only judge on cases brought before them by other people.

In reality, the only way people will actually get fined is if their neighbours take them to court personally, incurring the court costs and legal fees along the way (which I dare say will be more than a grand) so how likely is it that anyone is actually going to get fined? Zero I'd say.

Then there's the burden of proof problem, unless you have some kind of photographic evidence it's one man's word against another's. Even if you have photographic evidence, how do you prove it was filmed during the ban and not before?

Someone should really change your name to hosepipebanrey. :D
 
Yep,

Take them to court personally, lol this is not America.

So then no one is going to get fined, you agree?

Richard Aylard, the director of Thames Water, said he expected most people to “police themselves” by having a quiet word over the garden fence. During the last hosepipe ban, Thames Water, which serves Greater London, did not prosecute anyone and only one person was fined before that, back in the 1990s.
“The aim of this is not to prosecute people, not to fine people, it is to make people use less water,” he said. “We are all in this together and it is just public spirited responsible behaviour – like picking up litter.”

There you go, Thames Water want you to go all Judge Judy on your neighbour.
 
So WHO is going to take you to court then, you still haven't answered that.

Not public, people can't take them to court.

I assume it's along the lines of tv tax, but as I said early the stats are not easy to find and I don't know, nore do you. If you search google you just get 1000s of news story's about the ban and using finned/convicted key words does not get rid of these news articles.

However it does pretty much seem to toatly rely on your neighbors stitching you up , but there are a lot of annoying dogooders out there. Online surveys actually say 20-30% would report you.

It also says that first step, just like tv license, is contact with customer and education.
 
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Not public, people can't take them to court.

I assume it's along the lines of tv tax

You think the TV licensing authority are going to take people to court for using a hose pipe?

I'm being flippant but the point is the authority that issue the licenses will take you to court in the case of a missing TV licence. In the case of the hose pipe ban it would be the duty of the water company and as I've pointed out at least one has admitted they won't be doing it.

Here's someone else putting it better than me...

So the 2012 hosepipe ban is finally upon us, implemented by seven water companies starting on the 5th of April. After weeks of tweaking their rules to create as little bad publicity as possible, the water companies lay their judgement upon us. All under the threat of “£1000 Fine” for those who don’t obey.

How many people have ever been fined for breaking a hosepipe ban? Difficult to find any in the last 30 years. So how many people will face the £1000 this year? Seemingly that’s up to you and I.

You see the water companies themselves don’t want to do it. A spokeswoman for Thames Water stated recently that they would spend nothing on either catching or prosecuting ‘offenders’. “No, we’ve got better things to do with our money, like fixing leaks.” they said. You couldn’t make it up.

Veolia Water were equally quick to pass the buck, stating: “Usually we would be the people that would take them to court, but it is technically a law. Anyone could do it. If you were really annoyed because your neighbour repeatedly flouted the law and we didn’t do anything, you could take them to court.”

So let’s examine the facts:

1) Water companies lose 3.36 billion litres of water per day through leaks
2) Water companies continue to make huge profits
3) Lack of rainfall over the last two years has helped put us into drought conditions, but fact 1) obviously doesn’t help
4) Joe Public is forced to adhere to a hosepipe ban at considerable discomfort and inconvenience, with a £1000 fine hanging over his head
5) Joe Public is asked to ‘grass-up’ (and potentially prosecute) naughty neighbours, causing who knows what sort of conflict
6) Water companies watch Joe Public dutifully help them continue with their business

Will you prosecute a neighbour for flouting the hosepipe ban rules and effectively become an unpaid employee of your local water supplier?
 
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No, no where have I said tv license will take you to court.

No that does not put it better than you.

Leaks happen, they do have teams to fix them and have hired some more staff to tackle them.
 
No, no where have I said tv license will take you to court.

Do you know what 'flippant' means?

No that does not put it better than you.

Leaks happen, they do have teams to fix them and have hired some more staff to tackle them.

Look, you are the one claiming there is a real chance people will get fined for using a hose pipe during a ban but when I ask you to explain how this process actually works your replies have been along the lines of "dunno but someone will".
 
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