These guys have no idea what they are talking about.

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Humbug, could you just please stop watching this channel. You've had a huge chip on your shoulder for so long when it comes to their videos. Get over it.
Go and multitask with something else, rather than a HUB or GN video.

 

[humbug]

Humbug, could you just please stop watching this channel. You've had a huge chip on your shoulder for so long when it comes to their videos. Get over it.
Go and multitask with something else, rather than a HUB or GN video.

If it upsets you so much add me to your ignore list, you seem like someone whose going to get triggered by a lot of things i say and do.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

I've never ignored anyone here, and won't ignore you. Certainly not triggered, look in the mirror for that. Just don't get why you keep watching HUB/GN stuff. You are frequently heated about these guys opinions though. Opinions being the key word.

 

[humbug]

I've never ignored anyone here, and won't ignore you. Certainly not triggered, look in the mirror for that. Just don't get why you keep watching HUB/GN stuff. You are frequently heated about these guys opinions though. Opinions being the key word.

If you have anything more to say about me personally send me a private message, this is not the place for it.

 

[Nexus18]

 

[muon]

Game, set and match.

"But the buggy piece of alpha code, which people have donated $400m for, that is Star Citizen doesn't run unless you have an nvme, 64GB or RAM and 32 cores".

 

[humbug]

Game, set and match.

"But the buggy piece of alpha code that is Star Citizen doesn't run unless you have an nvme, 64GB or RAM and 32 cores".

codswallop i have 32GB and 8 cores

 

[keyser van someone]

Star Citizen uses same business model as Scientology. There are aspects of the game that look cool. Wake me up when version 1 final is released. I also doubt I'll signing up for a subscription game.

Quake II used to lag a bit when on ISDN 64Kb and TeamSpeak and ZoneAlarm were running. All done on signal core

Windows should manage which cores are being used and not and act accordingly, that might be where the real problem lies.

 

[gpuerrilla]

 

[eddyr]

My conclusion from his data is quite different to his, but then I suppose the question being answered is specifically framed as can you game while multitasking with YT and discord on 6 cores and without bother. Which seems like a pretty narrow question.
First thing that comes to mind is why not look at .1% lows.
I'd be interested to see the performance data gathered on a real 24+ month old OS install with all the junk that folk accumulate over time with all the apps that random tech products seem to either need or needlessly want you to install. I've seen some horrors. Personally I take care not to let things go out of hand like that but I don't have a perpetual freshly installed, minimal, clean OS. I certainly don't take steps such as shutting down whatever applications may or may not be running, or restart my system before a gaming session. It won't be game shattering either but I expect it's actually notable.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Its funny as has been inferred earlier in the thread, that HU think your either a focussed gamer hunting high fps and performance or you turn off the game and do productivity.

So their own audience has said they do this so once again they have through gritted teeth done some kind of test to appease the crowd.

 

[muon]

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel saying the OS needs to be 2 years old and should look at 0.1% lows.

For the record my OS doesn't deteriorate in performance over time. Windows has been brilliant since Windows 7.

I don't notice any performance deterioration with background tasks open. Steam, Epic, Ubisoft, Teams, Discord, AMD monitoring/overlay, Xbox gamebar, Google drive etc. I used to never shut off my PC (although do now as leccy is expensive).

When empirically measured it makes a tiny difference to 3dmark and only on the CPU score.

I won't leave chrome open though. What's the point of that, it remembers everything when you re-open.

 

[Nexus18]

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel saying the OS needs to be 2 years old and should look at 0.1% lows.

For the record my OS doesn't deteriorate in performance over time. Windows has been brilliant since Windows 7.

I don't notice any performance deterioration with background tasks open. Steam, Epic, Ubisoft, Teams, Discord, AMD monitoring/overlay, Xbox gamebar, Google drive etc. I used to never shut off my PC (although do now as leccy is expensive).

When empirically measured it makes a tiny difference to 3dmark and only on the CPU score.

I won't leave chrome open though. What's the point of that, it remembers everything when you re-open.

Exactly.

You have some acting like 6 core can't handle anything outside of just gaming

HU got pulled up on that by people "insisting" that even just watching youtube and having DC open would cause big issues (as per usual posting nothing of substance to back up said claims), now they have done a video with evidence showing that is not the case either.

It's quite funny as reading the comments, people are now saying to try with 30+ tabs open and then let us know despite Steve saying even then it didn't cause any further degradation of perf., chrome pauses all background tabs in terms of using resources (at least in terms of processing power to load something new) and even on the current tab, activity is paused on a static site....

If people are playing + streaming games whilst browsing 30+ tabs, watching YT/netflix whilst also chatting on DC with 50+ people on a DC server and using their PC for CAD rendering.... then I think their use case is just maybe a bit different to the majority of "gamers" especially casual gamers....

What I will say is I found upgrading to 32GB RAM from 16GB RAM really helped things out when it came to multi-tasking with some windows open in the background i.e. the little hitches you would get every now and then were completely removed.

Also, for what it's worth, iirc, both chrome/youtube and discord are GPU accelerated.

 

[humbug]

Star Citizen uses same business model as Scientology. There are aspects of the game that look cool. Wake me up when version 1 final is released. I also doubt I'll signing up for a subscription game.

Quake II used to lag a bit when on ISDN 64Kb and TeamSpeak and ZoneAlarm were running. All done on signal core

Windows should manage which cores are being used and not and act accordingly, that might be where the real problem lies.

Its not subscription based, i don't know where you would get that from.

Its no different to any other game, you buy a game package, costs about $45, that's it, anything else you might want beyond that you buy in game with money you earn in game, i own about 8 ship, countless armour sets, weapons, ship components...... a mountain of stuff, probably too much stuff its cluttering up my inventory.
The only thing i actually bought with real money is two of those ships, and i didn't need to do that.

My conclusion from his data is quite different to his, but then I suppose the question being answered is specifically framed as can you game while multitasking with YT and discord on 6 cores and without bother. Which seems like a pretty narrow question.
First thing that comes to mind is why not look at .1% lows.
I'd be interested to see the performance data gathered on a real 24+ month old OS install with all the junk that folk accumulate over time with all the apps that random tech products seem to either need or needlessly want you to install. I've seen some horrors. Personally I take care not to let things go out of hand like that but I don't have a perpetual freshly installed, minimal, clean OS. I certainly don't take steps such as shutting down whatever applications may or may not be running, or restart my system before a gaming session. It won't be game shattering either but I expect it's actually notable.

After making his assertions you're never going to see a video from him that proves himself wrong, of course his own videos are only ever going to agree with himself.

Like when he asserted the Ryzen 5600X was no faster than the Ryzen 3600, to prove he was right he evidenced his own video, job done everyone else is wrong.

I'll use @keyser van someone assertion as an example, Its not the first time i have seen that said, i see it quite a lot, it come from gaming magazines making assertions like this, among many others, those so called journalists, and some of them are from recognised gaming magazines, have never actually played the game, ever, they have not even looked in to how its funded, and yet they write as if they are experts on it, every word is complete and utter nonsense.
Over the years there have been hundreds of article written about Star Citizen, almost all of them are completely wrong, and they all say exactly the same things, because all they do is copy and paste eachothers articles, some of them might even rewrite them in their own words.
Most people see journalists as the voice of authority, so if that voice of authority doubles down on their assertions its seen as proof because the voice of authority has approved the voice of authority, with absolutely no sense of irony. A bit like Scientology.

So far there are only two that have got it right. Digital Foundry and Tech Linked, that's it, because they actually put the time in to study it.

 

[Nexus18]

Like when he asserted the Ryzen 5600X was no faster than the Ryzen 3600, to prove he was right he evidenced his own video, job done everyone else is wrong.

What on earth are you on about now....

It's pretty clear in his video that a 5600 is much better "overall" than a 3600

The problem is with your posts trying to point out how "wrong these guys are" is that you are posting absolutely nothing to show/prove that meanwhile HU and many other tech press/reviewers are posting "evidence" to backup their claims....

 

[humbug]

What on earth are you on about now....

It's pretty clear in his video that a 5600 is much better than a 3600

The problem is with your posts trying to point out how "wrong these guys are" is that you are posting absolutely nothing to show/prove that meanwhile HU and many other tech press/reviewers are posting "evidence" to backup their claims....

The original Ryzen 5600X review his complaint was that it was far too expensive, that's fine i agreed with that to some extent, tho the 10700K was $80 more expensive and at best was only as good as the Ryzen 5600X, he completely failed to mention that.
Instead he cited the Ryzen 3600, as if AMD are only competing with themselves, he said the 5600X was only slightly better than the 3600 and therefore it had no right to be priced at $299, again the 1070K was at the time $379, and slower in games.

This is part of the evidence he used to prove those assertions, there were others and all pretty much the same as this, i'm using this one because Steve Burke made the same benchmark and it turned out very differently.

The one you just posted was made a few weeks ago, the price of the CPU has changed, so his view has change, with that the narrative he puts out has also changed. With no irony!

 

[Nexus18]

The original Ryzen 5600X review his complaint was that it was far too expensive, that's fine i agreed with that to some extent, tho the 10700K was $80 more expensive and at best was only as good as the Ryzen 5600X, he completely failed to mention that.
Instead he cited the Ryzen 3600, as if AMD are only competing with themselves, he said the 5600X was only slightly better than the 3600 and therefore it had no right to be priced at $299, again the 1070K was at the time $379, and slower in games.

This is part of the evidence he used to prove those assertions, there were others and all pretty much the same as this, i'm using this one because Steve Burke made the same benchmark and it turned out very differently.

The one you just posted was made a few weeks ago, the price of the CPU has changed, so his view has change, with that the narrative he puts out has also changed. With no irony!

You complain about their stats/games/testing + usage scenarios or whatever to suit their narrative yet you are doing exactly that.... taking one snippet or/and one area/benchmark and ignoring everything else they have shown/said to backup your agenda.... Watch the full video and look at the range of games they showcase, it's pretty clear to see where a 5600x is better than a 3600, Steve is not trying to hide anything..... In the "final thoughts" sections, that is their "own" thoughts, Steve did say for value, you are better of with a 3600, if you want pure performance then go for the 5600x, in 2020, this was a good enough summary as you didn't have as many games showing the bigger benefit like we do now in 2022 and you said yourself, price per performance is a big factor... They offer plenty of content to let people see a range of scenarios and base their own thoughts on the "comparisons" alone.

You're comparing different systems in terms of the benchmarks here..... HU are using a 3090 and gamersnexus are using a 3080..... Also, different graphical settings too? High VS Ultra high?

 

[humbug]

You complain about their stats/games/testing + usage scenarios or whatever to suit their narrative yet you are doing exactly that.... taking one snippet or/and one area/benchmark and ignoring everything else they have shown/said to backup your agenda.... Watch the full video and look at the range of games they showcase, it's pretty clear to see where a 5600x is better than a 3600, Steve is not trying to hide anything..... In the "final thoughts" sections, that is their "own" thoughts, Steve did say for value, you are better of with a 3600, if you want pure performance then go for the 5600x, in 2020, this was a good enough summary as you didn't have as many games showing the bigger benefit like we do now in 2022 and you said yourself, price per performance is a big factor... They offer plenty of content to let people see a range of scenarios and base their own thoughts on the "comparisons" alone.

You're comparing different systems in terms of the benchmarks here..... HU are using a 3090 and gamersnexus are using a 3080..... Also, different graphical settings too? High VS Ultra high?

He also used a midrange GPU, if i remember rightly it was a 6700XT.

Its a contrived narrative, His argument was the 5600X had no right being more expensive than the 3600, what he wanted to see was the 5600X at the same price as the 3600, or perhaps slightly more expensive.
Ok, that's fine, however what he did was set up the review in such a way that the 5600X was strangled down to the same performance as the 3600 and present it as proof that the 5600X is little better than the 3600.
That is quite cynical, and manipulative, he has no respect for his audience in this regard, its an agenda to him.

I'll give you another example of this mentality, in an interview with a bunch of industry people, one of whom was Lisa Sue, one commented on the price of consoles, to which Lisa joked "you just don't want to buy one" at this point they had already been poking fun at eachother, that break the ice stage of a conversation, it was very clearly and very obviously a joke.
Steve Walton, on twitter, ranting like some sociopath accused Lisa Sue of snubbing the whole world for not buying her products at inflated prices, not only was that taken completely out of context he then also conflated it to its most extreme. Like one of these mental pink haired activists.

 

[Nexus18]

He also used a midrange GPU, if i remember rightly it was a 6700XT.

Its a contrived narrative, His argument was the 5600X had no right being more expensive than the 3600, what he wanted to see was the 5600X at the same price as the 3600, or perhaps slightly more expensive.
Ok, that's fine, however what he did was set up the review in such a way that the 5600X was strangled down to the same performance as the 3600 and present it as proof that the 5600X is little better than the 3600.
That is quite cynical, and manipulative, he has no respect for his audience in this regard, its an agenda to him.

I'll give you another example of this mentality, in an interview with a bunch of industry people, one of whom was Lisa Sue, one commented on the price of consoles, to which Lisa joked "you just don't want to buy one" at this point they had already been poking fun at eachother, that break the ice stage of a conversation, it was very clearly and very obviously a joke.
Steve Walton, on twitter, ranting like some sociopath accused Lisa Sue of snubbing the whole world for not buying her products at inflated prices, not only was that taken completely out of context he then also conflated it to its most extreme. Like one of these mental pink haired activists.

In his original review? He only used a 3090 for gaming benchmarks.

For the recent video, he used both a 6950xt and 6600xt.

however what he did was set up the review in such a way that the 5600X was strangled down to the same performance as the 3600

Have you even watched the video or just skipped straight to the "final thoughts" section?

There are plenty of scenarios where the 5600x is leading the way over the 3600 in their original 5600x review.... If he really wanted to show the 5600x as having no difference then he wouldn't have shown tests at 1080p but only showed benchmarks at 4k and picked only games that are entirely gpu bound.

You are literally doing what you are accusing HU/Steve of doing right now....

And regardless of what you think of HU or whoever, the point still stands, if their content is not valid/correct then it is on you to post something to show otherwise i.e. as per the whole point of this thread, showing where 6 core struggles with MT + gaming and where 8 core solves this.

 

[eddyr]

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel saying the OS needs to be 2 years old and should look at 0.1% lows.

For the record my OS doesn't deteriorate in performance over time. Windows has been brilliant since Windows 7.

I don't notice any performance deterioration with background tasks open. Steam, Epic, Ubisoft, Teams, Discord, AMD monitoring/overlay, Xbox gamebar, Google drive etc. I used to never shut off my PC (although do now as leccy is expensive).

When empirically measured it makes a tiny difference to 3dmark and only on the CPU score.

I won't leave chrome open though. What's the point of that, it remembers everything when you re-open.

Not at all, it's the minimum we should expect from reviews, particularly if they're investigating a claimed 'issue'. Reporting on .1% lows was a standard used by any competent reviewer that cared to report on smooth frame delivery and stuttering. The better review sites were doing it over half a decade ago when it became the big thing with multi GPU. People were subjectively noting a poor gaming experience despite all the hardware and the benchmark data reporting high FPS. The use of .1% provided a metric by which the effect users were describing could be measured and reported. We should be embracing better methodology and data.

As to the OS/system, the simple fact is your average user installs and accumulates a whole plethora of random and questionable software with services for everything and anything. I'd happily wager that you, me, and most users active on a hardware enthusiast forum like this aren't typical of the average Joe PC user - average Joe might visit a site like this when they need assistance and advice. It's interesting that your examples are gaming/productivity related software from big names and established players with a vested interest in avoiding putting out problematic software (not that it stops the occasional cockup). Not once did I describe operating system performance deterioration, so not sure where that argument comes from.

That review as it is, provides no new information that anyone sensible didn't already know, that YT and discord are minor resource hits. As an investigation it was so narrow in scope it was pointless. May as well have set out to investigate if water is wet.