These guys have no idea what they are talking about.

[keyser van someone]

I'd get 8C/16T when I need it. I don't currently need it. Like I had the same i5 CPU between 2012-2019 when a game finally came along (Hitman) that required more than 4 cores.

Star Citizen doesn't look like my cup of tea. Like Cyberpunk after the hype on that died. Still, worth it for the memes. If the majority of gaming journalists sank hours into playing it and the result was meh I doubt I'll be persuaded otherwise. How much money do I need to spend to learn about the truth on scientology?

I currently have 105 games in my steam wish list and probably over 30 games in my steam library I've bought and not played yet. Plenty of games to be getting on with none of which need more than 6C/12T.

If you feel you need 8C/16T you go right ahead

 

[Deleted User 456458]

I'd happily wager that you, me, and most users active on a hardware enthusiast forum like this aren't typical of the average Joe PC…

Their audience is DIY enthusiasts. Literally the people you’re describing who would have the awareness of terms such as bloatware and would use something like discord (or other comms software) and some form of a browser.

 

[Joxeon]

He also used a midrange GPU, if i remember rightly it was a 6700XT.

I think he used a 6800 which is still a powerful GPU but then how many people pair a 3090 with a ryzen 5 3600 though? If anything people rocking a 3600 would likely have a much slower gpu than a 6800.

Telling people it's not worth it is good advice especially when the 5600X was priced at £300 as for the majority of people the extra performance would be small or non existent, sure we can make the argument that in 2 or 3 years time with more powerful Gpus the 5600X will stretch its lead but by then it'll be a £100 chip so not paying £300 for it on release was good advice.

 

[NZXT30]

With the mining mess, shortages, scalpers and cost of living crisis PC gaming has been looking worse than ever in terms of value.

So I'm really glad someone is pointing out how dumb it is to spend lots of money on the CPU. Expensive motherboards are even worse don't get me started on them.

 

[humbug]

With the mining mess, shortages, scalpers and cost of living crisis PC gaming has been looking worse than ever in terms of value.

So I'm really glad someone is pointing out how dumb it is to spend lots of money on the CPU. Expensive motherboards are even worse don't get me started on them.

I'll agree with that but it should be done in a less contrived way, if they really wanted AMD to lower the price they should have pointed at the 10700K for being so over priced, it gave AMD a gap $100 above the previous gen while still being $80 cheaper.
With that its no good ignoring Intel and pointing "AMD bad" they sold the 5600X in massive numbers at $299 because Steve was barking up the wrong tree. AMD are not competing with them selves.

 

[NZXT30]

I'll agree with that but it should be done in a less contrived way, if they really wanted AMD to lower the price they should have pointed at the 10700K for being so over priced, it gave AMD a gap $100 above the previous gen while still being $80 cheaper.
With that its no good ignoring Intel and pointing "AMD bad" they sold the 5600X in massive numbers at $299 because Steve was barking up the wrong tree. AMD are not competing with them selves.

Intel has gotten endless amount of flak over the years for their pricing. It was about time AMD got some and it was well deserved.

 

[humbug]

It was a brand new CPU much cheaper than its competitor.

That's all there is too it.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I think he is referring to Zen3. Which is was rather steep tbh.

However this is where competition should win out. Vote with your wallet.

 

[eddyr]

Their audience is DIY enthusiasts. Literally the people you’re describing who would have the awareness of terms such as bloatware and would use something like discord (or other comms software) and some form of a browser.

Sure many will be, but the varied competency of a YT reviewer/journalist's audience, and how they may or may not maintain their system, is independent to the topic that actually merits a proper look, and it shouldn't dictate such a shallow investigation.
Consider his 'conclusive' conclusion that "YouTube and Discord doesn't consume oodles of cpu resources", the guy himself understands it's not actually answered anything meaningful.

 

[humbug]

I think he is referring to Zen3. Which is was rather steep tbh.

However this is where competition should win out. Vote with your wallet.

People did, it was cheaper than the alternative.

IMO it was too expensive, and yet clearly the alternative was less attractive as so many people bought it instead of the 10700K, if you were to ask AMD, if a was AMD i would say why? Its already better value than our competitor, so don't look at me, i've done my bit.

 

[gpuerrilla]

People did, it was cheaper than the alternative.

IMO it was too expensive, and yet clearly the alternative was less attractive as so many people bought it instead of the 10700K, if you were to ask AMD, if a was AMD i would say why? Its already better value than our competitor, so don't look at me, i've done my bit.

Yes. And conveniently when the shoe was on the other foot, the Intel cohort would say similar, basically what we have seen now is due to the success of Ryzen it has spread that mindshare. Now gamers can be guilty of assuming its the best CPU for the job without critically analysing spec.

I think AMD pushed too far when they applied the 'not a budget brand' across the GPU segment with the CPU success. Where they could have softened that blow is like they used to throw in game bundles or discounts. They have started doing it again now but prices of components got ridiculous across the board so not just AMD at fault there.

 

[humbug]

Yes. And conveniently when the shoe was on the other foot, the Intel cohort would say similar, basically what we have seen now is due to the success of Ryzen it has spread that mindshare. Now gamers can be guilty of assuming its the best CPU for the job without critically analysing spec.

I think AMD pushed too far when they applied the 'not a budget brand' across the GPU segment with the CPU success. Where they could have softened that blow is like they used to throw in game bundles or discounts. They have started doing it again now but prices of components got ridiculous across the board so not just AMD at fault there.

Again, they were cheaper than Intel equivalents, that didn't matter, they had to be "cheap" full stop. Its like its ok for Intel to be overpriced, AMD's only reason for existing is to be cheap.

That's not a business model, that's how you go bust, either there is competition or there isn't, we would all like cheap stuff but AMD have realised playing that game doesn't win you any favours, people just expect you to be the proverbial female dog so they can buy from their competitors a bit cheaper that they other wise would have been..

AMD had a period where they did not make good CPU's, but they weren't that bad and they were cheap, really cheap, and you know what people like Hardware Unboxed told their audience, under no circumstance buy anything from AMD, they are cheap for a reason, so you can see why AMD are trying to get away from the "Cheap" label.

 

[humbug]

Frankly IMO the fact that AMD aren't willing to play that game anymore is what's ##### him off, best not upset Intel, Bully AMD in to metering prices, they are a soft touch.

No.

 

[subbytna]

Exactly.

You have some acting like 6 core can't handle anything outside of just gaming

HU got pulled up on that by people "insisting" that even just watching youtube and having DC open would cause big issues (as per usual posting nothing of substance to back up said claims), now they have done a video with evidence showing that is not the case either.

It's quite funny as reading the comments, people are now saying to try with 30+ tabs open and then let us know despite Steve saying even then it didn't cause any further degradation of perf., chrome pauses all background tabs in terms of using resources (at least in terms of processing power to load something new) and even on the current tab, activity is paused on a static site....

If people are playing + streaming games whilst browsing 30+ tabs, watching YT/netflix whilst also chatting on DC with 50+ people on a DC server and using their PC for CAD rendering.... then I think their use case is just maybe a bit different to the majority of "gamers" especially casual gamers....

What I will say is I found upgrading to 32GB RAM from 16GB RAM really helped things out when it came to multi-tasking with some windows open in the background i.e. the little hitches you would get every now and then were completely removed.

Also, for what it's worth, iirc, both chrome/youtube and discord are GPU accelerated.

Moving to 32GB of RAM is a definite game changer when you've multiple Chrome tabs open at any one time. No issues now with memory bleed and resources being zapped.

 

[arknor]

Moving to 32GB of RAM is a definite game changer when you've multiple Chrome tabs open at any one time. No issues now with memory bleed and resources being zapped.

chrome sounds like the most memory hogging browser in existing, is it because your not running some form of add blocker or what? edge seems to use barely anything even on trash websites like the daily mail

 

[mrk]

The 12700KF is the single best upgrade I have done for my PC since going from a HDD to an SSD. Used to have an OCd 6700K before this and yes it lagged in games, even with my RTX 2070 Super at the time, the 12700KS gave a new lease of life to games most especially at controlling the 1% lows. I tend to never close stuff down, just minimise then fire up a game to play for a couple hours. Windows 11 does a fantastic job at core parking and allocation, as well as memory allocation. 11 actually learns your habits as you go and makes the most of your resources if you use the PC in a consistent manner.

My upgrade use case was not for gaming though, it was for photo and video editing, and the by-product of that is superb gaming performance as well.

HWUB video seemed to make sense, but I can see where some are getting the interpretation wrong.

 

[BUDFORCE]

I remember when is it Steve from Nexus hardware? I don't watch a lot of YouTube hardware for many of the reasons in this thread.

Anyway when he did the reviews for the initial Zen3 launch.

He was so critical of the 5800x, he pretty much said don't buy it, said just to buy the 5600x.... Despite! His own benchmark scores seeing it comparable/beating the 5900x!

Anyway, I reckon if I had listened, it would have niggled at me all this time. I went with my guy an got 5800x and so glad I did.

 

[Joxeon]

I remember when is it Steve from Nexus hardware? I don't watch a lot of YouTube hardware for many of the reasons in this thread.

Anyway when he did the reviews for the initial Zen3 launch.

He was so critical of the 5800x, he pretty much said don't buy it, said just to buy the 5600x.... Despite! His own benchmark scores seeing it comparable/beating the 5900x!

Anyway, I reckon if I had listened, it would have niggled at me all this time. I went with my guy an got 5800x and so glad I did.

I think that was more due to the price of the chip at the time though as $450 Was a 50% mark up on the 5600X despite offering nowhere near 50% extra performance while users who needed more cores could get the 5900X with 50% more cores for just a $100 extra.

 

[Bencher]

I'll agree with that but it should be done in a less contrived way, if they really wanted AMD to lower the price they should have pointed at the 10700K for being so over priced, it gave AMD a gap $100 above the previous gen while still being $80 cheaper.
With that its no good ignoring Intel and pointing "AMD bad" they sold the 5600X in massive numbers at $299 because Steve was barking up the wrong tree. AMD are not competing with them selves.

For most of its existence the 10700K or its variations (f kf etc.) could be found for cheaper than the 5600x. And of course it was also a faster cpu.

I mean people on one hand are happy to ignore amd and claim intel was stagnant between 2012 and 2017, but when amd does it - it is Intel's fault

Fact is, zen 3 were the best gift amd ever gave to intel. In 2019, after zen 2, intel got slapped hard. They realized they had to shrink their profits in order to compete, especially with zen 3 around the corner. And then.... It happened. Amd released a 6 core cpu for 300 and an 8 core cpu for 450!!!! Intel HQ were ecstatic. They realized they can keep their margins high and still be the value option!!

Imagine, just imagine, the 5800x (or the 5700 being released back then) at 300 msrp. What would that do to intel? Theyd have to be selling the 10900k at 350 and the 10700 at 250. But nope, amd went full greedy, the greediest company I've ever seen in the cpu space.

 

[Vince]

the greediest company I've ever seen in the cpu space.

Where have you been for the last 10 or more years?