Thinking of buying a 1950xtx. Few questions.

warren_1979 · 27 Jul 2007 at 22:02

I'm confused now :confused:

I thought there wasn't much in it between the 1900xtx and 1950xtx.

Tute · 27 Jul 2007 at 22:04

warren_1979 said:
I'm confused now

I thought there wasn't much in it between the 1900xtx and 1950xtx.

There isn't. What i'm prepared to disprove (if Mr Concorde asks) is that the X1900XTX is a better card than the X1950XTX.

The X1950 has:

- A better cooler
- Uses less power
- Generates less heat
- Runs slightly faster at stock

Scougar · 27 Jul 2007 at 22:15

See your other thread Warren, I dont know why your going for a 939 system. You can put together a very cheap overclockable C2D system using some of your existing hardware (the pro you already have, and your DDR memory, plus all accessories).

Mathew

233 · 27 Jul 2007 at 22:21

go for one of these new pentiums at the 50 odd quid mark and a cheap mobo and 2 gig of chepo ram

pentium chip gets a cracking write up(see this months custom pc)
hit MM for a cheap mobo and then 2 gig of cheapo ram ddr2 your laughing

run rings round any 939 system, and I think this might be my move

warren_1979 · 27 Jul 2007 at 22:31

Scougar said:
See your other thread Warren, I dont know why your going for a 939 system. You can put together a very cheap overclockable C2D system using some of your existing hardware (the pro you already have, and your DDR memory, plus all accessories).

Mathew

I know mate I'm all over the place at the moment.

I was thinking of going C2D and possibly getting a 8800GTX (Ohh loverly

), but I reckoned it up it would be £600 for a decent base unit with a GTX (especially with a decent C2D) and with doubts about dx10 performance on these 1st generation DX10 cards I decided to wait until the Crysis benchies are out (I mean I think were all waiting for Crysis really

and UT3, + Bioshock

).

I could spend half that on a decent 939 system, possibly sell it in the autumn for not that much less and have a better idea about whats needed for DX10 performance.

FreeStream · 27 Jul 2007 at 22:53

Tute said:
There isn't. What i'm prepared to disprove (if Mr Concorde asks) is that the X1900XTX is a better card than the X1950XTX.

The X1950 has:

- A better cooler
- Uses less power
- Generates less heat
- Runs slightly faster at stock

Core = same
mem = 5W difference
IceQ cooler = just abit better, most have changed the cooler anyway. Water etc.

Wow! Lets all fall over backwards to get one!

G-DDR3 @ 790-810mhz = 2.1Ghz G-DDR4, as DDR4 cards max at 2.2ghz, 825-845mhz G-DDR3 = 2.2ghz G-DDR4.

Some lucky people get a 900mhz G-DDR3 XTX, which kicks the X1950 into next week.

I used to research X19x0 cards a lot, you can ask quite a few people that I knew what is what with these cards, i wrote the Overclocking guide and have used 6 of the cards now. X1900XT/X1900XTXx2/X1950 Pro/X1950XTX/X1950XT.

For overclockers, the X1900XTX is the better card. Especially if you get one that does 850+mhz, overclocking in ATT is easy peasy.

Tom|Nbk · 27 Jul 2007 at 23:03

Concorde Rules said:
Core = same
mem = 5W difference
IceQ cooler = just abit better, most have changed the cooler anyway. Water etc.

Wow! Lets all fall over backwards to get one!

G-DDR3 @ 790-810mhz = 2.1Ghz G-DDR4, as DDR4 cards max at 2.2ghz, 825-845mhz G-DDR3 = 2.2ghz G-DDR4.

Some lucky people get a 900mhz G-DDR3 XTX, which kicks the X1950 into next week.

I used to research X19x0 cards a lot, you can ask quite a few people that I knew what is what with these cards, i wrote the Overclocking guide and have used 6 of the cards now. X1900XT/X1900XTXx2/X1950 Pro/X1950XTX/X1950XT.

For overclockers, the X1900XTX is the better card. Especially if you get one that does 850+mhz, overclocking in ATT is easy peasy.

I'll back you up with that. I followed your Ocing guide back in the day :cool:

Helped me get my XT to XT-X clocks

Scougar · 27 Jul 2007 at 23:12

My x1950xt at 702/1044(2088) seemed just fine with it's GDDR3. I think with a little help from voltage it would go to 2.2 on the mem, although not sure about the core.

Matthew

FreeStream · 27 Jul 2007 at 23:17

Scougar said:
My x1950xt at 702/1044(2088) seemed just fine with it's GDDR3. I think with a little help from voltage it would go to 2.2 on the mem, although not sure about the core.

Matthew

You have G-DDR4

Typically tops out at 2.2-2.3ghz, I dont actually think anyones got higher (no-one had when I had the X1950XTX a few months back)

The orb in 2005 record for single and crossfire cards is held by X1900s! I wonder why!?

And Why would I send the X1950XTX back if it was quicker/cooler/quieter than my X1900XTX? :confused:

Tute · 28 Jul 2007 at 00:13

All of a sudden, the X1900XTX is good for "overclockers"! :rolleyes:

I thought you said it was a better card! What about if the person runs at stock?

And you're basing all this on getting a card which is a good overclocker. So what if the buyer doesn't? What if they get a good overclocking X1950XTX?

Everything you say is based on speculation. You can carp on about writing all the overclocking guides under the sun, it wouldn't make you less wrong.

And erm... the 3DM06 record is held by 2900XTs. So does 2900XT > 8800 Ultra? I'd be careful how you answer that one.

And it's a bit more than 5W at load.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2821&p=13

1337z0r · 28 Jul 2007 at 01:02

The X1950XT is a very good card. I can get 100Fps on 1280x1024 on high settings 6aa and16af ect. No need for a better card unless you are on vista and want a DX10 card.

Magnum_Force · 28 Jul 2007 at 01:45

Warren, I have paid for a 2900XT off the same guy, if it doesn't arrive we'll team up and pay this guy a little visit, ehh??

.

*Saw the X1950XTX there aswell, was tempted to buy it, for no other reason than it was cheap!!

I do believe it's the crossfire edition too!!

Magnum_Force · 28 Jul 2007 at 01:47

lol, no need for a better card 1337z0r unless you want to play Armed Assault!!

FreeStream · 28 Jul 2007 at 07:53

Tute said:
All of a sudden, the X1900XTX is good for "overclockers"!

I thought you said it was a better card! What about if the person runs at stock?

And you're basing all this on getting a card which is a good overclocker. So what if the buyer doesn't? What if they get a good overclocking X1950XTX?

Everything you say is based on speculation. You can carp on about writing all the overclocking guides under the sun, it wouldn't make you less wrong.

And erm... the 3DM06 record is held by 2900XTs. So does 2900XT > 8800 Ultra? I'd be careful how you answer that one.

And it's a bit more than 5W at load.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2821&p=13

X1950XTXs all top out at 2.2ghz to 2.3ghz on mem, I haven't seen one set higher.

X1900XT/Xs have however hit 1ghz with G-DDR3, which G-DDR4 cannot beat except when its up to 2.5/2.6ghz. But it can't get there.

Regarding the 2005 results, I mean from last generation, X19x0s.

People who stay at stock = X1950XTX
People who overclock = X1900XT/XTX

22W saving! Wow! Yes still limited by the fact the core heats the mem up and not the other way round. Still doesn't matter for the non overclocker.

X1900XTX > X1950XTX for any overclocker.

warren_1979 · 28 Jul 2007 at 11:47

Magnum_Force said:
Warren, I have paid for a 2900XT off the same guy, if it doesn't arrive we'll team up and pay this guy a little visit, ehh?? .

*Saw the X1950XTX there aswell, was tempted to buy it, for no other reason than it was cheap!!

I do believe it's the crossfire edition too!!

Damn right we'll pay him a visit.

Have you paid yet mate? I'm a little wary as the name on the bank account that you should deposit the money is different from the name and address he supplies. :confused:

Tute · 28 Jul 2007 at 13:13

Concorde Rules said:
X1900XTX > X1950XTX for any overclocker.

So therefore your statements in posts #17 and #19 are wrong.

And do these X1900XTX cards you talk about hit 1GHz on memory on air? I strongly doubt it.

warren_1979 · 28 Jul 2007 at 16:49

Is this a decent PSU to power this card?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-018-OC&tool=3

~>Dg<~ · 28 Jul 2007 at 18:56

why buy off the bay and take the chance when you can get a 1950xt for 105 delivered of a rep site the mind boggles.

FreeStream · 28 Jul 2007 at 19:40

Tute said:
So therefore your statements in posts #17 and #19 are wrong.

And do these X1900XTX cards you talk about hit 1GHz on memory on air? I strongly doubt it.

People have done 900+ mhz ON AIR.

With phase these have done 1000mhz. Im 99% sure I saw 1050 on one.

CBA go to look for it. The X1900XTX is a better card due to the lower latencies on the mem and the fact the X1950XTX has a memory limit, with or without phase.

I dont get why you can't accept I've had both and sent back the card with least performance!? :confused:

Edit: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87890

"LivingL@rGe81 : 751/918 with volts at 1.550/2.236/2.160/150 this is on a stock cooler"

Im looking for the phase shots now.

Edit 2:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94013&highlight=X1900XTX

972 on mem, no way in hell can a X1950 beat that.

Again memory in 900s:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103946&highlight=X1900XTX

975: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=87557&highlight=X1900XTX

I cant find the 1k yet... yes these are all on phase.

But 900 on air is most certainly possible and I believe quite a few members here had 725/910 or around that on upgraded air/water.

This was all 10-12 months ago tho...

Edit:

dgmug said:
why buy off the bay and take the chance when you can get a 1950xt for 105 delivered of a rep site the mind boggles.

512MB version? :/

warren_1979 · 29 Jul 2007 at 02:06

Magnum_Force said:
Warren, I have paid for a 2900XT off the same guy, if it doesn't arrive we'll team up and pay this guy a little visit, ehh?? .

*Saw the X1950XTX there aswell, was tempted to buy it, for no other reason than it was cheap!!

I do believe it's the crossfire edition too!!

Hey Magnum I ****** him off in the end. Decided to get a 8800 GTS and found the right price from a good etailer. I'm gonna offer him his listing fee back and if he doesn't like it **** him. He can neg me for all I care.

Hope the deal goes smooth for ya.