This Business and Moment...

randomshenans said:
Thought you might like a bit of a saga story.

Guy who came on board to start with to do dev for tokens. Sweat equity type agreement. We were pleased with his work but he said he was too busy and didn't want to continue with app work so we said OK fine. He hung about in slack and was always a bit of a difficult one to manage. It's hard when it's technically non paid, but at the same time, he consumed a lot of my time. I think he quit about 4 times, threatened suicide a few more. Yea, was hard work. I actually spoke to the hiring manager he has now and got him the job in IT (he kept complaining of being poor and having nothing, but then going for warehouse jobs!) so did a lot for him.
Anyway, we pulled in this outsourced dev to try and finish off these last bits. We are on update 9 in testflight and he was slowly getting through the stuff. He uploaded to testflight but didn't commit code as he said not until payment etc. a pain, yes. He also caused me ****. Yet, when someone has your code, I tried to keep it all good.

Last week I was reporting latest bugs in slack and he turned around and said it was hard fixing the bad code from the first dev. Obviously that first dev took this well and called him a naughty word rhyming with hunt. Cue a massive **** storm of name calling like petulant children. Dev 1 said he wanted all mention of his name off the site and nothing more to do with it. Dev 2 said he's not committing the code, can't continue work as he's been insulted. So I ended up kicking out Dev 1 from slack and have tried to get in touch with Dev 2 but he's now ignoring all correspondence. We've lost about 3 months worth of code. I am in the middle trying to just pick up the ******* mess in the middle.

So, that was my last week.
Click to expand...

Surely you must reach the point where it's worth it to just pay the developers directly.
 
Kreeeee said:
Surely you must reach the point where it's worth it to just pay the developers directly.
Click to expand...

Have to say reading his posts it seems he is making extra work for himself/going about it that hard way rather than just call time on paths that obviously are causing friction in getting to the end result.
 
The amount of devs (or any role for that matter) on great money that cant produce any end product and can only talk the talk, while quieter poor salaried staff create working results, sickens me
 
malachi said:
So whats happening now, the dev market is oversaturated because everyone is jumping on the bandwagon?
Click to expand...
Yep. There are so many now, and from all over the world and as I've found, even if you think you're getting one from one place, doesn't mean you are. Everyone is a dev now, having taken a course online once. Trying to validate that person's experience is hard, too. You can look at portfolio, github, but they find a way to cheat it. I've seen it all.
 
randomshenans said:
Yep. There are so many now, and from all over the world and as I've found, even if you think you're getting one from one place, doesn't mean you are. Everyone is a dev now, having taken a course online once. Trying to validate that person's experience is hard, too. You can look at portfolio, github, but they find a way to cheat it. I've seen it all.
Click to expand...

I better get on the cyber security route quick before that market goes the same way in a few years.
 
malachi said:
I better get on the cyber security route quick before that market goes the same way in a few years.
Click to expand...

I would hurry as it's very quickly becoming saturated with people who don't have a clue about Security at all - it's the buzzword for the last few years.
 
I'm not sure it is too much of an issue tbh.. I get that say @randomshenans has got a bit more risk/worry there with regards to hiring remote contractors but from the POV of someone looking at their own career and the prospect of a bunch of Eugenes who've done online courses being competition then it's not much to worry about tbh...

It might be more of a worry for someone without a degree etc.. but even then, with solid work experience on the CV in addition to examples of side projects etc.. it shouldn't be an issue.

As for specialist areas, even less so. There are lots of "data scientists" or similar out there now who are basically developers with a coursera or other online course, there probably are roles for them but they're not necessarily going to be doing the sort of thing that a PhD or specialists MSc candidate could look to apply for.
 
Throrik said:
I would hurry as it's very quickly becoming saturated with people who don't have a clue about Security at all - it's the buzzword for the last few years.
Click to expand...
Very much this. They’re generally people who never made it beyond 2nd or 3rd line, did some courses and exams and are now an expert. Most I’ve worked with are clueless. Don’t get me wrong there are some good ones around, but it’s rare.
 
Yea, I agree with @dowie I wouldnt worry from a personal career perspective. Same for people going in to development, I still recommend it as there will always be demand for both and that will continue to grow.
 
ChrisD. said:
Very much this. They’re generally people who never made it beyond 2nd or 3rd line, did some courses and exams and are now an expert. Most I’ve worked with are clueless. Don’t get me wrong there are some good ones around, but it’s rare.
Click to expand...

Having worked in the industry for a long time now there’s definitely a varied level of skill out there ;)

(Of course I could be one of the clueless ones, but as long as they keep paying me I’ll keep going ;) )
 
Sat in a serviced apartment in brum surrounded by drunks and hobos. I don't mind admitting a bit of a snob when it comes to these things....so I've booked myself an airbnb for the next month in the town I'm wanting to move to, and much closer to work.

Relocation temporary accommodation is always bloody awful. If I had the other half/kids with me I'd kick off and insist on being moved...but meh.

Start the new job Monday...
 
mid_gen said:
Sat in a serviced apartment in brum surrounded by drunks and hobos. I don't mind admitting a bit of a snob when it comes to these things....so I've booked myself an airbnb for the next month in the town I'm wanting to move to, and much closer to work.

Relocation temporary accommodation is always bloody awful. If I had the other half/kids with me I'd kick off and insist on being moved...but meh.

Start the new job Monday...
Click to expand...

Thats one reason why I moved from Brum, couldn't stand it anymore. Even in my home town of Smethwick they started making their way to there and the council is doing FA about it.

On a similar note to you, finally moved out my serviced apartment and into my own place now. As my new job I've been at nearly two months is going well so I'm setting up base. Having a crap loads of projects thrown at me, AD clean up, SCCM deployment, database centre migration to VMware. Getting into the nitty-gritty stuff.... exciting times!

Good to have proper internet again, way better than the speeds in the UK and back at the apartment. Now need to wait for furniture to arrive........ in 3 weeks! :(
 
Last edited:
mid_gen said:
Sat in a serviced apartment in brum surrounded by drunks and hobos.
Click to expand...

One of my mates lived like this in London for a few years when he'd had some death threats - still cost a fair bit compared to renting a flat but I guess if you don't want anyone to find you then paying cash and living in small independent hotels/B&Bs and serviced apartments means you can stay somewhat hidden while living centrally in a major city.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom