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[HangTime]

Check if they've signed it with a name as you might be able to contact them directly, I've done that with support tickets before
There's also the possibility that they have the grand total of 1 person manning that generic mailbox to make them look more of a pro setup than they actually are.

As for the lazy teenager thing, to be honest I was like that at the same age, wasn't interested in getting a summer job as I wanted some time to relax, plus I was quite introverted and most summer jobs tend to be customer facing. To be fair I didn't moan about having no money though.

 

[Martynt74]

Anyone with 16-17yr old kids that drive you bloody mental when it comes to getting off their arse? My 16yr old (17 in Jan) has been on holiday now since May and I said he should get a summer job. I was working from 14. Hell, I was washing cars at 10 and so many things in between. I did it all off my own back, no one helped me. All my jobs I've got.
It seems trying to get blood out a stone trying to get him to understand anything relating to his future career. I keep doing all the legwork and opening doors and he'll say all the right things to us and then do **** all about it.
Me and the wife are both scrappy little hustlers so we've got that drive and have always worked and grafted from being young, but he's just impossible to motivate. He has had an allowance all year, a decent one I'd say for the bugger all he does around here, yet he's spunked it all on games and crap. Now he needs summer clothes and trainers and funnily enough has **** all money and is like "clothes are expensive" JESUS WAKE UP MAN!!

Needed a parental rant there. Anyone?

We've actually been really lucky with my stepdaughter, she's worked since she was about 15 and other than a lull after college where she didn't know what she wanted to do and carried on at McDonalds rather than try other things she's always worked. Maybe boys are worse as my stepson didn't seem to understand why he should get a job either. Although to be fair to him he never had much in the way of costs and was happy in clothes from Tesco!


For me, i'm on Day 2 of the new job. Have a huge induction plan set out for me with loads of introductory meetings with various managers/directors all over the world and there's a really good feel amongst the company (so far). Have been given a great quality laptop and 2 decent monitors and when i mentioned that i just leave my laptop closed due to the monitors and hinted to my boss i might buy myself a webcam for video calls rather than opening my laptop and re-arranging the desk, i then got an email 15 minutes later saying they'd ordered me a webcam.
Probably looks like there will be a little more "finance" work than i was expecting, but i because i get the interaction with the wider business that was lacking at the previous place i'm actually looking forward to that side too. Loads of projects for me to get started on too so i imagine i'll be very busy!

Currently doing lots of induction paperwork and learning modules on the company intranet.

 

[randomshenans]

We've actually been really lucky with my stepdaughter, she's worked since she was about 15 and other than a lull after college where she didn't know what she wanted to do and carried on at McDonalds rather than try other things she's always worked. Maybe boys are worse as my stepson didn't seem to understand why he should get a job either. Although to be fair to him he never had much in the way of costs and was happy in clothes from Tesco!

I would like to think girls and boys will be different but I think just kids are all different. We had a break through. He sorted his stuff out, did his test day at the bakery and was offered the job. He'll be working 5 days a week over summer there! He's beyond pleased and has actually thanked us a lot for putting the pressure on him. He said that he now understands more what we wanted for him. He said he thought getting this job was hard (bless) but it's his only point of reference, so at least he's done it without NEEDING it. He has a home, food etc. so when it comes to a real job at 18 at least he'll have some experience and it won't seem as daunting.
Very pleased either way. I want him to do more with his video editing skills and that, but I do really want him to get a job like he has. He needs to earn his stripes in the world of work, working at the bottom. Doing hard graft on your feet all day!

For me, i'm on Day 2 of the new job. Have a huge induction plan set out for me with loads of introductory meetings with various managers/directors all over the world and there's a really good feel amongst the company (so far).

How's it going? Still all good?

Work is fine for me at the moment. I'm being roped into all sorts of things because they need someone to make sense of it all, which is a pain because it's all immensely dull stuff like mapping roles to other business units, operating model and facilitation of SOP creation... oh yay! I said as long as I don't have to write them and they give me resource for that I don't mind. It needs to be done anyway.

I'm currently an AD and been there a year. I want to line up a path internally in general, but want to get some real deliverables out the way before properly pushing for progression, but I have been tempted to see if they'll sort out something like my Masters through work. I don't know why, I never completed my BEng. I dropped out and started working, but kind of feel I'd like to get my masters just purely for a bucket list type thing. Just not sure it's worth my time to be honest, or if I should just concentrate my spare time on the things I like to do instead.

Anyone else done their masters later? Any thoughts?

 

[Martynt74]

That's great news. I'm pleased for him.

Still all very good at this end. Have met a lot of people and slowly building up a list of things to work on when i get my knowledge, basically just asking people what they feel could be improved or looking for inefficiencies as they run through processes. Have also been able to actually do some of the more day to day tasks because i'm familiar with Adaptive which is good too as it feels like i'm capable of actually performing rather than just being a hindrance as is often the case in the early stages as you learn things.

Also spoke to a guy yesterday who was managing the local businesses, but is slowly moving over to a strategic implementation role, where he works on developing acquisitions and improving their efficiencies etc. Seems a very interesting role and since i'll be involved in acquisitions (albeit from a functional systems integration side) it may be a side to try and get involved with.

 

[randomshenans]

This was too good not to share. I've got an open position on linkedin for the head of cheese job. This person applied. She works for a decent and well known publisher that covers many magazines we all know. I thought oo ok, she can go on the "to talk to list"... I messaged and said, can we chat...



YOU APPLIED FOR THE ROLE!! I DIDN'T APPROACH YOU!?

People are weird.

 

[Josh]

I've been offered a fantastic position at a well established Cloud IT Provider, big budget, huge scope for projects and salary/experience and willing to get me more hands on and certified. Slightly less base salary than I am on now but fully remote and the chance to work with some big players in the cloud space whereas I'm currently now on a broader range of project work.

Soooo tempted but have that fear of the unknown feeling in the pit of my stomach, it's normal I know. They seem to really want me, have created a role for me after speaking to them about something more senior which I am under experienced for and the package on offer is better overall than my current one.

I owe a lot to my current employer but I'm bored by the projects I've been given and want to specialise.

Arggghhhhhhh

 

[thewanted]

I owe a lot to my current employer

You really don't. If you want loyalty, buy a dog. Look after yourself because nobody else will.

What's your long term goal? To work for one of the hyperscaler cloud companies snce you mention you like the fact that you'll be working with the big players in the new role? If so, you have to ensure that you get the right experience now.

 

[Rroff]

Curiosity at work - got some new top spec systems in rather than the usual near decade old hardware but some of them are on the end of ~30m cat5 network cable runs and just won't connect to the network (old hardware was fine). If they stick a switch temporary in the middle of the run works fine, if they set up one of the systems temporary where a shorter cable can reach works fine but a longer one won't. They tried one system with a USB LAN adaptor and that worked fine but apparently not allowed to do that let alone open the systems up and put a NIC in. From the sound of it they are going to have to install some extra switches.

 

[Throrik]

Curiosity at work - got some new top spec systems in rather than the usual near decade old hardware but some of them are on the end of ~30m cat5 network cable runs and just won't connect to the network (old hardware was fine). If they stick a switch temporary in the middle of the run works fine, if they set up one of the systems temporary where a shorter cable can reach works fine but a longer one won't. They tried one system with a USB LAN adaptor and that worked fine but apparently not allowed to do that let alone open the systems up and put a NIC in. From the sound of it they are going to have to install some extra switches.

That sounds really odd, you're well within the cable distance limitations. What sort of kit is it? End user, Server etc?

 

[dlockers]

Curiosity at work - got some new top spec systems in rather than the usual near decade old hardware but some of them are on the end of ~30m cat5 network cable runs and just won't connect to the network (old hardware was fine). If they stick a switch temporary in the middle of the run works fine, if they set up one of the systems temporary where a shorter cable can reach works fine but a longer one won't. They tried one system with a USB LAN adaptor and that worked fine but apparently not allowed to do that let alone open the systems up and put a NIC in. From the sound of it they are going to have to install some extra switches.

Crossover cable and the NIC in your new hardware has auto-sensing switched off.

 

[OspreyO]

Anyone with 16-17yr old kids that drive you bloody mental when it comes to getting off their arse? My 16yr old (17 in Jan) has been on holiday now since May and I said he should get a summer job. I was working from 14. Hell, I was washing cars at 10 and so many things in between. I did it all off my own back, no one helped me. All my jobs I've got.
It seems trying to get blood out a stone trying to get him to understand anything relating to his future career. I keep doing all the legwork and opening doors and he'll say all the right things to us and then do **** all about it.
Me and the wife are both scrappy little hustlers so we've got that drive and have always worked and grafted from being young, but he's just impossible to motivate. He has had an allowance all year, a decent one I'd say for the bugger all he does around here, yet he's spunked it all on games and crap. Now he needs summer clothes and trainers and funnily enough has **** all money and is like "clothes are expensive" JESUS WAKE UP MAN!!

Needed a parental rant there. Anyone?

I think his brother is in my house. Do you want him back?

 

[Rroff]

That sounds really odd, you're well within the cable distance limitations. What sort of kit is it? End user, Server etc?

Crossover cable and the NIC in your new hardware has auto-sensing switched off.

I was on the sidelines - I don't do IT at work so have limited information. Knowing a bit about networking, etc. I found it very odd - the original cabling is near 20 years old and from an installation pre-dating common use of switches, etc. so not impossible it was crossover but they tried a run of new cable with the same result they only had any joy after moving stuff temporarily to shorten the run. It definitely seemed like the integrated LAN hardware on the new systems was a bit ****.

 

[randomshenans]

I think his brother is in my house. Do you want him back?

**** that mate, you can keep him

To be fair... he got the job at the bakery, which is great. I want him to work on his feet for 8hrs a day learning the value of a $$! I feel it's important but today was his first proper day! I'm so pleased, he's actually enjoying it! He's tired lol but it's a massively milestone. The French don't get why we'd get our 16yr old to go to work... but then you have them on 35hr work weeks moaning they're too long and they don't get paid enough, have 2hr lunches, 3947745 fag breaks and 38469654 coffee breaks, then want to retire at 55!

 

[Rids]

... but then you have them on 35hr work weeks moaning they're too long and they don't get paid enough, have 2hr lunches, 3947745 fag breaks and 38469654 coffee breaks, then want to retire at 55!

Damn, I didn't realise that 90% of my colleagues were from French ancestry...

 

[Rids]

Anybody ever walked away from a job with nothing to go to? Had a serious debate with the Mrs tonight about walking away from this one. Honestly don't see things getting better in the short to medium term, and I sit here again after an 8am start with no time to even eat breakfast / lunch with still several hours work to do that is due tomorrow morning. No job is worth being this miserable over.

I have savings to last me 12 months comfortably, but it does mean giving up on a house purchase, my shares, next years bonus... it would almost feel like the last few years going through this have been a waste to drop away now at the final hurdle. Ugh I don't know.

 

[Martynt74]

It's a tricky one. Obviously it's clear it's been getting you down for a long time now based on previous posts.

Out of interest, on that piece of work. What would happen if you didn't do it? Is it worth starting to reduce the level of overtime you do and let the company suffer for it to try and show them that it isn't currently working? One of those things where when you work like that i imagine it's easy for the company to just let you carry on because they benefit from it so there's no incentive to change anything as it's working for them. I can't imagine any downturn negatively affecting a reference so shouldn't be anything to worry about. That way you reduce your stress levels and if it leads to you leaving anyway then there's nothing really lost either way.

What kind of time frame are you talking for your shares/bonus and what kind of value are you talking? In reality, you're always going to lose a bonus when you change jobs whatever the circumstances unless you get lucky with timings.

I think the house would be the bigger factor for me. When is it you're hoping to complete? Would your notice period payslips give you enough to get you over the line?

I presume you're on a lengthy notice period. If i was you i'd just be giving a few decent recruiters a call to see what's out there. At your level there may be ways to get a signing on bonus or so to help offset the loss of shares/bonus anyway.

 

[Nitefly]

I’m going to hand in my notice having procured a new role. I have a terrible choice…. Hand it in whilst my line manager is on leave, or hand it in later when the person who I do the most work with is on leave getting married (I think the stress caused may break them!) - just got to get on with I suppose.

But what an epic win this is for me, the new role absolutely stomps all over the old one in every way

Anybody ever walked away from a job with nothing to go to? Had a serious debate with the Mrs tonight about walking away from this one. Honestly don't see things getting better in the short to medium term, and I sit here again after an 8am start with no time to even eat breakfast / lunch with still several hours work to do that is due tomorrow morning. No job is worth being this miserable over.

I have savings to last me 12 months comfortably, but it does mean giving up on a house purchase, my shares, next years bonus... it would almost feel like the last few years going through this have been a waste to drop away now at the final hurdle. Ugh I don't know.

Sorry to hear this. Sounds like you’re caught in a partially self-fulfilling cycling of ‘not failing’. The only options are complete self destruction, or ‘failing’ at your work. I say ‘fail’ as too much work is a management issue and not a personal failure.

You will need to tell your management that this is unacceptable, set out your working hours to them and how absurd it is and what you are willing to work. Then it becomes their problem. If they don’t move the earth to help you out, then leave, as they don’t deserve you.

In the meantime, you will need to be selfish and think what else you would rather be doing than your current role. Don’t do this on your weekends, you need to keep those free to relax and treat yourself. Do this on work time, on the basis that it’s owed ‘time owned’.

I’m rooting for you mate, best wishes. Also, thank your partner for her support that she’s undoubtedly giving you.

You’ve got this

 

[Rroff]

Anybody ever walked away from a job with nothing to go to? Had a serious debate with the Mrs tonight about walking away from this one. Honestly don't see things getting better in the short to medium term, and I sit here again after an 8am start with no time to even eat breakfast / lunch with still several hours work to do that is due tomorrow morning. No job is worth being this miserable over.

I have savings to last me 12 months comfortably, but it does mean giving up on a house purchase, my shares, next years bonus... it would almost feel like the last few years going through this have been a waste to drop away now at the final hurdle. Ugh I don't know.

I did it but I had my parents as a fall back option and little dependencies. Getting called in on my day off due to an "emergency" only to find the managers dossing about and would rather just call me in than go to a bit of effort themselves got old fast. Sucks for the better people who worked there but gratifyingly the business collapsed and went into new ownership after myself and a couple of others left who'd basically been holding back the inevitable.

Easier said than done but if you've mentally decided to quit there is little to lose either doing the bare minimum and/or pushing back while looking for another job.

 

[Freakbro]

Anybody ever walked away from a job with nothing to go to?

Yep, in my early 30's I walked out of a well paid job with benefits to nothing, because after 7 years I'd had enough of the stress and **** of the place I worked at and I have never regretted it for one second. Every time I had threatened to leave prior to the end they had given me a payrise to stay, which had worked. But Quality of Life > money in the end. When it comes to the work/life balance I've always had the attitude of weighting more towards life than work anyway and even though I didn't have a family to support, I had recently purchased a house.

A friend of mine had stayed in a job he hated for decades because they just kept throwing money at him to stay and the fear of the unknown, and I had been saying the same to him for years and then finally about 4-5 years ago he left, with no other job lined up, and again the change was transformational. He had under a year off before getting another job in the same sector and again, he now says he wished he had done it a long time ago.

Everyones situation is different, with responsibilities and committments, but if you can survive long enough to find something else then I will keep saying, Quality of Life > money.

 

[randomshenans]

@Rids don't be afraid to walk away if you an afford to

100% on this one. You are more important than anything else. On a plane they say you have to put your mask on before tending to anyone else, right? Because if you don't look out for yourself, nothing else matters anyway. This is the way I look at life now, which has changed a lot more in recent years.