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OspreyO said:
If you asked them your implying choice. Don't give a choice. Refer them to their contract terms which covers all this.

We've all been asked back into the office essentially to meet each other. I assume our director was ordered to do this. As he normally he distances himself from the majority of the team. So I find it all slightly ironic.
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That's my stance, but the debate that was going on between the managers was "we should offer them a choice" - I was quite vocal about it and I was told I was not being inclusive or flexible...
 
Freefaller said:
That's my stance, but the debate that was going on between the managers was "we should offer them a choice" - I was quite vocal about it and I was told I was not being inclusive or flexible...
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Working conditions are flexible, but when called for, certain events will require face to face presence. Those include; onboarding and introductions, xyz, abc.

That's how I'd do it. As someone who was onboarded to this latest gig remotely, it's utter **** compared to f2f as an experience and you're left feeling like you are not a part of something and it's not a warm welcome at all.
 
Well you don't have to be flexible.

We have a whole remote onboarding process that takes two weeks. I think they have team assigned to do it.

If people don't feel they are part of something you might want to look at how much interaction they have with people. At the start of lockdown I would go long stretches without talking to any of the people I report to. That however was just a reflection of what happens in the office. Its just not as obvious in the office.
 
So... I've secured an interview for an internal application. It's a regional position (EU manager) and I know that there are 10 other candidates (1 of them internal, beside me).

What's people's opinions on asking other managers at that (EU) level for interview advice? I get on well with my current boss (it's not his job but a position of a colleague they're backfilling) and I feel I could have that sort of informal chat, its just that I feel reluctant to ask in the event he's part of the recruitment process in some way. He's aware of my application and has offered to support but I don't want to compromise him by asking things he can't answer.

Background: I had 5 interviews for my position... so I would be highly surprised if there's only 1 interview for this role. I know my current boss is not the person at the first stage but the person I was going to ask for advice (who got promoted from the EU position) is the interviewer!

In reality, I may be overthinking it as I can't see there being more than 2 interviews. The structure of the department means there are only two people higher than this particular EU role. One of which is the first interviewer and the other is the hiring manager.

....unless they throw a curveball and get someone else involved and string it out :( sigh.
 
EVH said:
So... I've secured an interview for an internal application. It's a regional position (EU manager) and I know that there are 10 other candidates (1 of them internal, beside me).

What's people's opinions on asking other managers at that (EU) level for interview advice? I get on well with my current boss (it's not his job but a position of a colleague they're backfilling) and I feel I could have that sort of informal chat, its just that I feel reluctant to ask in the event he's part of the recruitment process in some way. He's aware of my application and has offered to support but I don't want to compromise him by asking things he can't answer.

Background: I had 5 interviews for my position... so I would be highly surprised if there's only 1 interview for this role. I know my current boss is not the person at the first stage but the person I was going to ask for advice (who got promoted from the EU position) is the interviewer!

In reality, I may be overthinking it as I can't see there being more than 2 interviews. The structure of the department means there are only two people higher than this particular EU role. One of which is the first interviewer and the other is the hiring manager.

....unless they throw a curveball and get someone else involved and string it out :( sigh.
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I would be networking and finding out as much info as possible. I've always tried to keep non-direct relationships up with the HR partners or BU HR partners - the same discussion could be useful in that way too.

There are rules around bias and equality etc but you're not breaking rules to understand more about the position. It would not be out of the ordinary to understand the appointment timeline.

I remember my banking interview process. It started in November and after 8 interviews it ended in May with the offer over a coffee in Starbucks across the road from the globe theatre. I even had to chase up the process through email and LinkedIn as the HR individual handling my application left without any handover :eek:

If you're getting to a regional level, you're expected to network and workout how to solve problems. You may be passed around interviewers depending on when schedules allow.

Good luck :)
 
EVH said:
So... I've secured an interview for an internal application. It's a regional position (EU manager) and I know that there are 10 other candidates (1 of them internal, beside me).

What's people's opinions on asking other managers at that (EU) level for interview advice? I get on well with my current boss (it's not his job but a position of a colleague they're backfilling) and I feel I could have that sort of informal chat, its just that I feel reluctant to ask in the event he's part of the recruitment process in some way. He's aware of my application and has offered to support but I don't want to compromise him by asking things he can't answer.

Background: I had 5 interviews for my position... so I would be highly surprised if there's only 1 interview for this role. I know my current boss is not the person at the first stage but the person I was going to ask for advice (who got promoted from the EU position) is the interviewer!

In reality, I may be overthinking it as I can't see there being more than 2 interviews. The structure of the department means there are only two people higher than this particular EU role. One of which is the first interviewer and the other is the hiring manager.

....unless they throw a curveball and get someone else involved and string it out :( sigh.
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100% be picking up and discussing with everyone and anyone related - it's always a red flag to me when interviewing if internal candidates don't use the advantage of their internal network!
 
Discuss it with internal contacts - it's not a conflict of interest unless they choose to make it one by feeding you interview questions in advance (which they won't).
The last internal move I made was to replace my boss who had himself got a promotion, he was on the panel and I spoke to him beforehand.

As for "can't see there being more than 2 interviews", just ask the HR contact. But I wouldn't try and pre-empt this based on how many more senior positions there are up the chain, interview panels are often not solely hierarchical. For example leadership interviews may involve panelists who will be key stakeholders (perhaps from other departments), peers of the senior leaders, or even people you may ultimately end up managing to establish fit. For example, I was interviewed by a Head of IT from another business unit, whom I had no reporting line into, because the Head of IT the role reported directly to valued their input.
 
How long would you generally give it before deciding that a role / company isn't for you? Say the company doesn't feel like a good fit, the role you were sold doesn't match the actual day to day or the business is an unsalvagable mess?

I'm not talking about the standard imposter syndrome like issues you usually get when you move to a new business, but more a feeling that the company itself just doesn't fit.

Asking for a friend ;)
 
6 weeks. I'm 2 weeks into a new company and not convinced (the role seems to involve a lot of hands on support that I'm used to having a team under me handle) but got to give it a chance.
 
Just had a contracting offer through, day rate double what I'm on now, 6 months initial contract with possibility to extend, inside IR35 (boo, hiss), perm WFH, all standard employee benefits you'd expect (pension, holiday, bank holidays) etc

I know the people I'll be working with and I know exactly what the job entails.

Post tax I should clear 80% more than I'm on now, and then I'm saving another 400 quid a month on travel.

Given the fact I don't think the new business is a good fit, this seems like a no brainer, I've never been 'exposed' in a contract role before but I have enough savings that I can survive volatility in employment if it happens.
 
Go for it. If you are going to leave a perm role then arguably its best to leave early IMO before you've accrued too much in terms of bonus, extra holiday, share options etc. You can also kind of disguise it if you've gone to a contract role i.e. when it comes to your next role, if you are a contractor then people will assume the prior role will likely have been contract also and hence ask fewer questions about why such a short stint.
 
NickK said:
It really annoying - only 4 automated no responses from the last 24 applications.
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Have you spoken to recruiters? Former colleagues? Have you filled out a linkedin, gotten a few recommendations?

A good rule, in general, to consider perhaps going forwards is to apply for things even when you're not looking in order to get a feel for the market and to keep in touch with recruiters.

I don't mean the random generic "IT recruiters" who have been in the job for like 3 years and just spam people trying to fill a particular role but rather people who do focus on a particular niche area and know their industry.

Having to send out applications and wait for a response etc.. as an experienced hire shouldn't really be the norm, you ought to get into a position where you've got enough contacts in your industry (both former colleagues and recruiters) where you can simply pick up a phone when you're considering looking for a new role.
 
Kreeeee said:
Why? The UK is modeling itself more and more after the USA, so I only see the rich-poor divide, isolationist attitude, work life balance, etc. becoming worse to match theirs.
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I know. That's why I said it has to go back the other way. Having done some work in the USA their attitude to work is ridiculous.
 
Kreeeee said:
The UK is way too far gone chasing the American way to go back. It's one of the reasons I left as I get a way higher quality of life and purchasing power despite working 60%.
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You did well to do that.

I do miss working in the Med. Mental health and physical health was a lot better back then.

Let's hope this 4 day week starts to grow some momentum. I doubt it will though.
 
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