This Business and Moment...

So I was offered the job I mentioned earlier, they have moved a bit on salary following discussions but not to a level where I felt I could give an outright 'yes' there and then without mulling it over. Need to make a decision over the weekend:

+Higher salary, bigger bonus, bigger pension, better benefits in general
+Most of the uplift in travel cost covered
+Industry sector I know well and would definitely feel like I was adding more value than I do now
+Personally I believe this industry will be 'transformed' (too big a word perhaps.... 'disrupted' at least) by things I'd be involved with in some capacity in the next 4-8 years (hard to put timeframe on it... things move faster/slower than expected). Basically we should have the tools to implement stuff we'd like to have done 10 years ago but were too constrained.
+This particular company appears well placed to execute on the above based on what we've covered during the interview process. Seem to have Exec buy-in and I will be in a position of influence on transforming the way they operate. Basically do what I'd like to have done at a previous employer but was too hamstrung by various factors.
+More seniority / potential stepping stone to top end roles. Opportunity to get my career back on track. My current job is less senior than what I was doing five years ago.
+Based in same building as an old employer so I could easily catch up with some old colleagues. This will sound daft but I rarely socialise with anyone I live near.
+Reputable employer, FTSE100 etc
+Good interview feedback, felt like people I could get along with (even one whom I was warned might come across as cold/direct, just seemed like someone who would get to the point in a good way but also would acknowledge where I gave good insights)
+Getting a job paying more than this one (considering benefits) would not be easy. The offer they have made is fair for the role and industry.

-2 days a week commuting versus 1-2 days a month currently
-More seniority probably means less opportunity to take my foot off the gas from time to time. In my current job I have time to get done what needs doing most of the time and there will be some days I can coast along
-During the interview process it was apparent via the recruiter that one of the Execs who interviewed me is an extremely busy person, this is a potential warning sign that either I find myself in the same boat and/or they are hard to get hold of when I need their input
-Whilst it is more money I'm questioning myself a bit over whether it is enough. I was offered an 'annoying' number that is more than the headline advertised salary but slightly less than I'd like given the commuting. Annoying in the sense I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand as it's a significantly better package than I have now, but not quite enough that I feel like biting their hand off
-Would be giving up a deferred 2022 bonus and potential realisation of share option expected to materialise in Q4 (not huge sums, £20k max).

Writing this out has been helpful, I think on balance I will probably accept the role. It's a good job, a good fit for both them and me, and the offer is a decent one compared to the market. I could easily wait a year or more and no receive a better offer for this type of role.
 
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It's the commuting for me that would deter me, but, everything else sounds positive and you can always use the move as a stepping stone into something else if required.

Congrats btw.
 
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Can you negotiate a golden hello to cover your lost bonus / share options? At your sort of level we'll buy people out of things like that for the right candidate, this often runs well into six figures
 
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No. I offered to have it deferred until succesful completion of probation, but they wouldn't offer it.
It's not a huge amount, the difference in pension and on-target bonus would cover it although obviously it will take a year to accrue that.
 
Can you negotiate a golden hello to cover your lost bonus / share options? At your sort of level we'll buy people out of things like that for the right candidate, this often runs well into six figures
When I recently negotiated for a position they wouldn’t move on anything, including welcome bonuses.
 
Absolutely. I politely declined any follow up conversations. I was even directly referred to their CTO by a member of their staff I help out a lot. However after reading the same sort of theme on Glass Door I'm kind of glad they weren't willing to offer more as it seems a bit of a toxic working culture.
 
Absolutely. I politely declined any follow up conversations. I was even directly referred to their CTO by a member of their staff I help out a lot. However after reading the same sort of theme on Glass Door I'm kind of glad they weren't willing to offer more as it seems a bit of a toxic working culture.
Yea, sometimes I think companies leverage the whole fact it's a stressful as hell time for applicants when applying for a job. More need to stand firm and companies might be forced to change when they find no one willing to take the ****. Problem is, there normally is always someone willing to take it.
 
Yea, sometimes I think companies leverage the whole fact it's a stressful as hell time for applicants when applying for a job. More need to stand firm and companies might be forced to change when they find no one willing to take the ****. Problem is, there normally is always someone willing to take it.
Completely agree. Another thing which annoyed me is that it was a Senior Architect role, but their recruitment team and hiring manager told me that it's effectively a Principle role, and the only role of its kind in the country, reporting to C level. When I asked for the role title to reflect that, they declined.

If they had told me that, and the salary from the start, time would not have been wasted as I wouldn't have submitted my CV in the first place.

Show me the money and be up front, then we'll all get along nicely and don't play games. :D
 
Show me the money and be up front, then we'll all get along nicely and don't play games. :D
Totally. Getting a job is a full time job, especially if you get past the applying for loads of jobs point and then have, say, 5 companies you're interviewing for, then presenting for, then phase 3,4,5...6 etc of their long ass process. While in your main current job? All for some douche cannon not to be up front about the role or salary up front! It's a total **** take.
 
Personally I don't find applying for jobs that stressful - it's frustrating at times when you get feedback that doesn't resonate, or just no feedback at all, or they are super slow (one of the contributing factors behind why I joined my current employer was being another firm I was interviewing at had taken 5 weeks and were still being vague about the timing of the next stage). Some (not all) recruitment agents being wideboy idiots. But leaving that aside I quite enjoy the 'thrill of the chase'.

My current employer tried to persuade me to stay and I believe they are saying that with the best intentions (given we'd been discussing my development even before I said I was leaving), but they weren't able to make a concrete immediate commitment saying that it would need to happen at mid-year review. It lacks the certainty I'd need to consider a counter-offer, and to be honest I'm a bit surprised they even suggested it, surely they can't have expected me to change my mind based on something that wouldn't include a guaranteed change in remuneration?
 
I don't find them stressful, but when you have to talk to various people at various stages before getting the information needed it's frustrating. I'm pretty strict on telling recruiters or direct companies that I'm not interested in having a discussion until I know the major components, such as salary, remote/hybrid/on-site, job title and core responsibilities - if they can't provide these in an email/LinkedIn message then I'm not interested in going further.
 
Got a call on Monday that I didn't get a role because I didn't have enough consulting experience.

I am annoyed because they could have that figured out from the first interview stage.......6 weeks ago! Instead of putting me through 4 interviews and 1hr online tests :mad:

Again.....wasted my time!
 
It's appraisal time (not had one for years) and I need to come up with something appropriate to say for where I want to be in 3-5 years time. Last time I was asked this, I had ambition for the sector. Now, my ambition is in personal pursuits, far from this corporate world...
 
It's appraisal time (not had one for years) and I need to come up with something appropriate to say for where I want to be in 3-5 years time. Last time I was asked this, I had ambition for the sector. Now, my ambition is in personal pursuits, far from this corporate world...
Where do I want to be in 3 to 5 years time? Not here.

On a more serious note, 3 to 5 years is much too far out. Many of my peers would have changed employer at least once, if not twice, in 3 to 5 years.
 
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So, interesting 8 weeks for me, boss quit and now I’m head of department (about 80 people). Well “interim” because I have not had a formal promotion yet. I will make sure to keep the thread informed.

Point of note number 1. Everyone is being very nice to me.
Point of note number 2. There is no magic washroom with champagne and noshing.


Note I am of course the natural choice. If anyone is at Gartner at Excel on Monday I’m a speaker.
 
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On a beach, on a cruise, far away from here. Hate these sort of questions, I see absolutely no value and to me it's just a silly game which means and achieves nothing beneficial for anyone.

Exactly. In less then 1 year, I'd like to be crewing a private yacht and sailing the world (I can't afford to captain my own one!). I also suspect they will be equally unimpressed with my more achievable personal goals over the next 2 years, I just hope I can tolerate the job which supports these endeavours. 5 years? No idea, hopefully I won't be miserable, alone or in poor health.
 
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