We have a winner and it's the boring one. A load of votes have been added from another pole that we haven't had any visibility of.
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We have a winner and it's the boring one. A load of votes have been added from another pole that we haven't had any visibility of.
fix!!We have a winner and it's the boring one. A load of votes have been added from another pole that we haven't had any visibility of.
We have a winner and it's the boring one. A load of votes have been added from another pole that we haven't had any visibility of.
I avoid getting involved in any design discussions, because most of our office has no sense of design. They sign off of horrendous stuff.
So my plans have hit a bit of a snag, the person I was lining up to bring into my team as my deputy has turned the role down. Personal reasons, completely understand where they're coming from and I think its the right choice at the moment... Leaves me absolutely stuffed though. There is nobody else in the business that even comes close to the skillset this role needs, which means I'm going to need to go external, and an external is going to need at least 6 months to settle in before they start adding any real value. The next 6 months just got a hell of a lot more interesting.
Balls.
Balls.
Potential dilemma coming up, I'm in the process of interviewing for a role that would offer more pay/benefits and seniority in a sector I can add more value in, but also carries some risk around days in the office. Currently I WFH the majority of the time, going in a couple of times a month where I have a specific need/desire to.
The new role doesn't have set office days but expects about 2 days a week in the office, not absolutely mandated but equally it is considered to be an office job and hence there is the potential risk they could change their approach in future and require more days in the office. It's about a 4.5hr round trip, most of the travel cost would be covered but not all. I used to do effectively the same commute 4 days a week pre-covid so 2 days a week is perfectly do-able but on the flipside it creates more headaches/costs with childcare.
I need to get past the final stage interview before worrying about the package really, but I'm starting to think it might not be worth it at the headline numbers that were validated with the agent. If they like me then I think I'm a very good fit as there probably isn't a huge pool of people with the specific niche experience I could bring to it so I'm thinking I can probably push for a bit more if we get that far. I think I'm prepared to have my 'bluff' called and turn down offers below what I want as I'm not desperate to change jobs; it's more a case of ensuring there's actually meaningful benefit from the new role as opposed to just chancing my arm for more dough.
The new role doesn't have set office days but expects about 2 days a week in the office, not absolutely mandated but equally it is considered to be an office job and hence there is the potential risk they could change their approach in future and require more days in the office. It's about a 4.5hr round trip, most of the travel cost would be covered but not all. I used to do effectively the same commute 4 days a week pre-covid so 2 days a week is perfectly do-able but on the flipside it creates more headaches/costs with childcare.
I need to get past the final stage interview before worrying about the package really, but I'm starting to think it might not be worth it at the headline numbers that were validated with the agent. If they like me then I think I'm a very good fit as there probably isn't a huge pool of people with the specific niche experience I could bring to it so I'm thinking I can probably push for a bit more if we get that far. I think I'm prepared to have my 'bluff' called and turn down offers below what I want as I'm not desperate to change jobs; it's more a case of ensuring there's actually meaningful benefit from the new role as opposed to just chancing my arm for more dough.
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I accepted a new role today after coming up for 5 weeks since redundancy.
Could probably write a little blog about the whole experience.
Moving into a different role which I’m both excited about and also a little sad that I’m not doing what I’ve done for the last 10 years (tech pre sales).
But this opportunity seems like a good one with some good people so worth a shot.
Can relax a little now for a week or two as all the pre employment checks are done.
Could probably write a little blog about the whole experience.
Moving into a different role which I’m both excited about and also a little sad that I’m not doing what I’ve done for the last 10 years (tech pre sales).
But this opportunity seems like a good one with some good people so worth a shot.
Can relax a little now for a week or two as all the pre employment checks are done.
It's completely down to your own personal situation, but for me, that would be an absolute no unless they were paying me significantly more.
From what I understand from your postings here, you're at a senior enough level now that money isn't the main factor when considering a role change (unless we're talking buckets of it) - so I guess its just weighing up the development opportunity and prospects vs the time investment. A 4 and a half hour round trip is not something to be taken lightly, but it depends on the journey, are we talking 2 hours on one train where you can fire up the laptop and get stuff done or is a more involved commute?
For me it'd have be a pretty special role / compensation package to get me back in the office more than a day a week.
100%... I don't know what your lifestyle is @HangTime but to lose my life like pre-COVID days (4.5hrs travel x2 days plus at least a day or two either side of recovery) - it'd have to pay enough so I was never doing DIY ever again
Soldato
You have literally outlined my justification for a payrise if I took the job I'm starting next week - "Enough money that I can pay someone to fix my house because I'll be givinf up the time and energy I need for DIY".100%... I don't know what your lifestyle is @HangTime but to lose my life like pre-COVID days (4.5hrs travel x2 days plus at least a day or two either side of recovery) - it'd have to pay enough so I was never doing DIY ever again
I lost that battle and I'll likely be looking for new jobs soon, think management have blown it TBH.
If you start talking terms I'd try and get some wording in the contract that states that the role is hybrid and requires 2 days a week and any changes require x months notice or similar.
I saw an interesting job but would have required full time in the office so I did a back of the napkin calc that once I include commute costs, extra child care, time missed with kids. I would want at least a 50% increase in total comp. Make sure you stick to your guns
Tbh it is a great place to be. I look around my firm and see so many charity cases where you know full well they'd be screwed if they got made redundant.
Edit: how did you lose tho? Are they playing games?
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Soldato
I should have said no thanks and walked away, simple as that really. I conditioned myself up to do it for quite a while during the interview process too - "Just do the interview then see how you feel about the job. Be prepared to politely decline if they don't offer you a good deal". In the end I was talked into it on the promise of opportunities etc, which is also what trusted family/friends had said to focus on rather than money. I do trust the hiring manager, he was my first boss here, I just think I should have not listened to anyone but my gut.
But instead I was talked into it with no real movement on salary, hours or terms, and somehow ended up starting in 11 days from acceptance. I'm supposed to be moving house but too stressed now.
If I had asked and been told the salary before interviewing I'd probably have not wasted their time applying! Not for full-time on premises.
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Soldato
This is the biggest thing here, never ever interview without knowing salary as time is money. I was burnt by this a number of times earlier on in my career and it always meant I got lowballed.
That sucks man, sorry to hear it. Roles often are like people have coached you on though, and maybe once you get to grips with it you can package it up and get someone else in. If the salary really isn't working then potentially get your teeth stuck in and then just explain (once you are indispensable) that it isn't compatible with life and needs a significant bump or you go elsewhere. It's an easier convo once you are up to full power though!
Man of Honour
Our internet is down in the office. So we've all gone for lunch. This is far more fun than working!
Man of Honour
Start my new job next Tuesday. Never worked in a German speaking office before and bricking it ever so slightly, as every email and all my contractual documentation has been in German.
Even going to an office a couple of days a week will feel strange after 3 years of fully remote work I guess, without the language issue. I've also had to buy a new work wardrobe and think about commuting gear - I'm sure cycling to work will get old fast as winter approaches.
Since I handed my notice in, four other senior members of staff have done the same, which is about 20% of the workforce in our delivery centre
Even going to an office a couple of days a week will feel strange after 3 years of fully remote work I guess, without the language issue. I've also had to buy a new work wardrobe and think about commuting gear - I'm sure cycling to work will get old fast as winter approaches.
Since I handed my notice in, four other senior members of staff have done the same, which is about 20% of the workforce in our delivery centre
German is actually pretty easy to learn, get some audio books for the cycle ride, there's quite a few around. I used to be fluent, I can just about get by with basic conversations now. I think I've forgotten it all and then when I do go over, it all comes flooding back. You'll also find that the vast majority of Germans speak English... unless it is of course in Austria in which case I am not so sure.