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This Business and Moment...
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Yea, sometimes I think companies leverage the whole fact it's a stressful as hell time for applicants when applying for a job. More need to stand firm and companies might be forced to change when they find no one willing to take the ****. Problem is, there normally is always someone willing to take it.
Totally. Getting a job is a full time job, especially if you get past the applying for loads of jobs point and then have, say, 5 companies you're interviewing for, then presenting for, then phase 3,4,5...6 etc of their long ass process. While in your main current job? All for some douche cannon not to be up front about the role or salary up front! It's a total **** take.Show me the money and be up front, then we'll all get along nicely and don't play games.
I got this at my last one as well and I hate them. My previous one I managed to just say like, "Oh I just want to be in a position where I can truly feel I provide as much value as possible to the organisation bla bla bla" but the one just gone I was pressed for more of a role etc. and I just don't care. I told them, I don't care what the title is if that's what you're asking, but if you really want me to say "I want X title" I can make something up if you like?
The whole thing is just BS anyway. It never ever leads to anything. It's not like anyone does a blind thing to make it happen, so who gives a hoot
Ha if I was totally honest it would probably be like "In 3-5yrs I would like to be in a position where I'm making enough money through different sources of income that I am no longer in a position I HAVE to work 100%"
Not sure they'd like that
Sounds super interesting and well worth the visit to feel the place out.
Keep us updated, would love to know
Day job is starting to ramp up at the moment. I'm involved in a few projects as the SME and honestly, if I wasn't on this one project I can imagine what they'd end up doing. I class my role as the **** filter between product teams and compliance. Compliance wants to implement some really convoluted change management process in our product teams, which will just slow everything down and it's slow enough anyway. That's a fun one to battle at the moment.
I don't often like to stick my head out the trenches because they're the first ******* shot and I have enough on on the side to want to keep my boundaries but last week I've taken on another massive initiative that has huge visibility. The only reason I did was because no one else would, and it does make sense to sit in my space, and strategically it actually is a good move. Just means a bit more **** to deal with and manage.
Obviously comes at a time where I'm about to launch the Hopium Lab, which is our creative product agency. The blub from our page:
The Hopium Lab is a creative agency specializing in all things product. We partner with startups, SMEs, and enterprises to unlock their product's full potential. Through a holistic approach, we offer services ranging from product validation and strategy to design, development, and market launch. Our focus on outcomes and data-driven insights ensures that we create successful products that drive business growth and user satisfaction.
It's always been the goal between my closest friends here, who are all techie/startup people and all the people I've met and become friends with online. A place where we work on helping individuals, startups, SMEs or Enterprises do anything from validate their product, get product market fit, build strategy, build the right things and measure the impact. Not a dev shop but a real partner in building something of value. Our goal is that we have a core group of people, covering designers, product managers, developers, marketers, even content creators and draw on our network at first to solve the problems we need. The core group gets to also throw product ideas into the pot and can have them validated and launched (or folded) and use the core teams skills to do that, but we all take % and can profit from it. A collective / coop style.
Anyway, that's coming very soon. We're actually working on two projects already. One is a simple online presence and marketing strategy for a acoustic consultancy. The other is a full SAAS tool for an incredibly niche use case. I also have a potential for an SME on the cards (hopefully) of managing their product strategy and development of their platform and mobile roadmap. Yet to close that one yet though, so won't count my chickens.
In my head I justify it as: Someone asked me what I'd do if I have $100m in the bank and I said I'd sit and build cool ****, it's what I love, so why not make that something I do with others and for others? Everything else I want to do falls under this in some way, too.
No point in this post to be fair, just a brain dump, it's been a bit of a week!
As you were x
I don't often like to stick my head out the trenches because they're the first ******* shot and I have enough on on the side to want to keep my boundaries but last week I've taken on another massive initiative that has huge visibility. The only reason I did was because no one else would, and it does make sense to sit in my space, and strategically it actually is a good move. Just means a bit more **** to deal with and manage.
Obviously comes at a time where I'm about to launch the Hopium Lab, which is our creative product agency. The blub from our page:
The Hopium Lab is a creative agency specializing in all things product. We partner with startups, SMEs, and enterprises to unlock their product's full potential. Through a holistic approach, we offer services ranging from product validation and strategy to design, development, and market launch. Our focus on outcomes and data-driven insights ensures that we create successful products that drive business growth and user satisfaction.
It's always been the goal between my closest friends here, who are all techie/startup people and all the people I've met and become friends with online. A place where we work on helping individuals, startups, SMEs or Enterprises do anything from validate their product, get product market fit, build strategy, build the right things and measure the impact. Not a dev shop but a real partner in building something of value. Our goal is that we have a core group of people, covering designers, product managers, developers, marketers, even content creators and draw on our network at first to solve the problems we need. The core group gets to also throw product ideas into the pot and can have them validated and launched (or folded) and use the core teams skills to do that, but we all take % and can profit from it. A collective / coop style.
Anyway, that's coming very soon. We're actually working on two projects already. One is a simple online presence and marketing strategy for a acoustic consultancy. The other is a full SAAS tool for an incredibly niche use case. I also have a potential for an SME on the cards (hopefully) of managing their product strategy and development of their platform and mobile roadmap. Yet to close that one yet though, so won't count my chickens.
In my head I justify it as: Someone asked me what I'd do if I have $100m in the bank and I said I'd sit and build cool ****, it's what I love, so why not make that something I do with others and for others? Everything else I want to do falls under this in some way, too.
No point in this post to be fair, just a brain dump, it's been a bit of a week!
As you were x
Happy New Year, all! Hope we're still plodding on!
I have totally clocked out at work.
It's so stupid that I get asked to align with X person on X topic so we can progress them. X person declines last minute 4 meetings now hahaha I am just like whatever.
I now just chat **** in my 1:1s and am the most expensive paperweight possible. I'll take that ****. Not sticking my head out. I'll let them give me little bits and pieces but I'm not going to be jumping up and down for work. I suppose this is the pure definition of phoning it in at this point.
It's so stupid that I get asked to align with X person on X topic so we can progress them. X person declines last minute 4 meetings now hahaha I am just like whatever.
I now just chat **** in my 1:1s and am the most expensive paperweight possible. I'll take that ****. Not sticking my head out. I'll let them give me little bits and pieces but I'm not going to be jumping up and down for work. I suppose this is the pure definition of phoning it in at this point.
Not a line manager, in a different team and just supposed to be "working with me" to get stuff done.
I will see how it all goes. I am cognizant of detaching too much from work haha so I have crafted a plan to make sure I drive a new project (not as the PM, **** that, we have PMs for that) but as SME to drive some standardization of business data for data driven decisions. It would me a little more work, make it look good for me, and keep me relevant haha
You have to play the game, man
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I've just had the official "your job is likely to be impacted" - i.e. we're probably going to **** you off soz.
Bless my boss, she did not want to do that but it's business innit. The risk of not getting this head of product ops role last time was that this would happen, so you know. There are over 40 engineers impacted, too. So it's a large culling.
I have been given a list of jobs to apply for (should I want, which I will to play the game) and will find out about April time whether I get anything from that, and if not, I'll be in line for the official steps to get rid of me.
I could have to play the game, and if I get a sense that this is happening, it's all very stressful and causes people to get super sick. Which is covered for up to 2 years. I just need a doctors note... so you know.
Getting rid of anyone here is long though, so it'll be probably end of the year even if I wasn't sick from it.
I felt for my boss delivering the news. I was like, don't stress for me. It's all good. It will come to what it comes to and I appreciate your empathy, but you don't need to worry for me.
It's quite an exciting feeling tbf! Never thought I'd say that in this situation ha
soz. Bless my boss, she did not want to do that but it's business innit. The risk of not getting this head of product ops role last time was that this would happen, so you know. There are over 40 engineers impacted, too. So it's a large culling.
I have been given a list of jobs to apply for (should I want, which I will to play the game) and will find out about April time whether I get anything from that, and if not, I'll be in line for the official steps to get rid of me.
I could have to play the game, and if I get a sense that this is happening, it's all very stressful and causes people to get super sick. Which is covered for up to 2 years. I just need a doctors note... so you know.
Getting rid of anyone here is long though, so it'll be probably end of the year even if I wasn't sick from it.
I felt for my boss delivering the news. I was like, don't stress for me. It's all good. It will come to what it comes to and I appreciate your empathy, but you don't need to worry for me.
It's quite an exciting feeling tbf! Never thought I'd say that in this situation ha
Been there like 4 yrs in this role. The thing is money is good and so are benefits. I'll milk it for as long as I can really.
But it's not exactly exciting. It's dull as ****.
I'm going to commit to some of my own stuff and double down on it, hopefully while I still bring in this salary and see what sticks.
Comfort is the devil and change is scary.
A lot of people like the cosy lives and don't give a hoot about being passed over, pushed to different roles, just pressing buttons for 8hrs a day for 50yrs. They're good with that.
I just think I need more than that. Both are fine.
I said to my boss I'd rather not work here than have only SOPs to sift through each day which is not at all where I think there is any value add for me. Would I have taken it for an easy life? Sure, but then it'd not be true to me. This is far better and forces you to do something different, which is the best part.
You got to love this though. The day after being told I'm getting canned... I'm in a 2hour workshop to define my teams objectives for the year on a ******* miro board.
I put "under the circumstances I think this is pretty much a pointless exercise for me, I could put a lot of stuff but it really would just be doing it for the sake of it as it means nothing"
I put "under the circumstances I think this is pretty much a pointless exercise for me, I could put a lot of stuff but it really would just be doing it for the sake of it as it means nothing"
Whichever you get, hope it works out for what you want. It's a ******* when you're not prepared for this stuff
I applied for the 3 internal jobs I need to as a part of this redundancy process today. They're all at the same level, so it's not like I can claim they're a down step or anything. Was asked if I can do an interview while I'm away on holiday for two weeks coming up haha I mean, I will, but I'll probably be on a beach somewhere drinking cocktails.
I'll tow the line though
I'll tow the line though
Got a last minute interview for the product growth manager position I applied for (I applied for product manager, product growth manager and product operations manager because I kinda had to and it strings things out more) this afternoon, which is ideal as I'm off on holiday tomorrow but also came down with the flu sunday night.
It was funny, because by default when you're in the interview setting (it was remote) you get sucked into answering the questions like you care, but I realised half way through, WTF am I doing?! I don't even want this job. I also listened to him talking about the job and thought it sounded utter ****. It's basically a glorified project manager pretending to be a product growth manager... either way, did it. Don't think I'll get it and don't ******* care either way. It'll still be awful.
Just got back from Thailand after 17 days there. I can't be ****** to even look through this inbox. It's possibly the least motivating thing when you know you're up for the boot, you don't care and if they want to **** you off, they can at this point. I have my 1:1 today and I honestly couldn't give fewer *****. I just want to eek the whole thing out as long as possible and play the game really