This is getting ridiculous (energy prices - Strictly NO referrals!)

[Energize]

Is this a relic of the transmission infrastructure or something? Like that part of the license fee used to (or maybe still does) go towards the transmission towers?

I'd be interested to know the actual basis of it as well, because the Astra satellite broadcasts TV content to the UK and has nothing to do with UK infrastructure!

 

[newbiejim]

Since maths

159 a year for BBC

11 a month for netflix (standard)
11ppm*12 months=132 a year

But that's far from a like for like comparison, the BBC produces WAY more quality than Netflix, I would choose iplayer over Netflix anyday, before we even consider radio, Radio 4 is a fantastic service, there's nothing like it worldwide.
In summary, Netflix largely average with a few novelty things every now and again, it's capitalism again trying to give us as little for as much as they can get.
BBC is not perfect, but by a country mile better than Netflix et al.

 

[Energize]

But that's far from a like for like comparison, the BBC produces WAY more quality than Netflix, I would choose iplayer over Netflix anyday, before we even consider radio, Radio 4 is a fantastic service, there's nothing like it worldwide.
In summary, Netflix largely average with a few novelty things every now and again, it's capitalism again trying to give us as little for as much as they can get.
BBC is not perfect, but by a country mile better than Netflix et al.

I was say that's total nonsense, the number of Hollywood budget production series from Netflix plus their content sourced from other providers they have relationships with outstrips the BBC by far.

Plus they have been instrumental in driving the future of TV forwards, if the BBC had their way we would all be stuck on grainy SD analogue streams with no iptv.

 

[Tombstone]

But that's far from a like for like comparison, the BBC produces WAY more quality than Netflix, I would choose iplayer over Netflix anyday, before we even consider radio, Radio 4 is a fantastic service, there's nothing like it worldwide.
In summary, Netflix largely average with a few novelty things every now and again, it's capitalism again trying to give us as little for as much as they can get.
BBC is not perfect, but by a country mile better than Netflix et al.

I'm the opposite way round, I watch WAY more Netflix than I do BBC. I struggle to think of any tv show that I am watching on BBC currently for example, whereas on Netflix I am watching The Witcher, Vikings Valhalla, Snowpiercer, All of us are Dead, Squid Game, Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Kingdom. Thats just the ones I am currently watching, if I include all the ones I have watched in the last 24 months compared to the shows I have watched on BBC in the last 24 months, the disparity would be even larger. I would say that in the past 24 months I have watched possibly 50+ shows on Netflix and probably less than 5 (if that many even) on BBC.

 

[newbiejim]

I was say that's total nonsense, the number of Hollywood budget production series from Netflix plus their content sourced from other providers they have relationships with outstrips the BBC by far.

Plus they have been instrumental in driving the future of TV forwards, if the BBC had their way we would all be stuck on grainy SD analogue streams with no iptv.

lol fair enough if that's ure opinion, we can disagree.

In danger of derailing thread tho.

 

[the shadow]

 

[Energize]

Yikes, I seemed to have touched a bit of a nerve there!

Have you considered that running a live public service broadcast network for the benefit of everyone takes a fair amount of cash?

I’d also suggest that for the money, the BBC puts out an order of magnitude more content than prime, Netflix, Disney+, Hulu and HBO combined each week across all its platforms. Streaming services put out very little in the way of new content and rely on their back catalogues to add value.

Also this is absurd, the Netflix business model is almost entirely based on bringing in new customers by releasing new content, it's actually a major criticism that they bring out so many A+ budget shows with a couple of series but them never finish them! The back catalogue helps retain customers but the vast majority of money goes towards new content as that is what is driving their growth at the moment.

 

[413x]

But that's far from a like for like comparison, the BBC produces WAY more quality than Netflix, I would choose iplayer over Netflix anyday, before we even consider radio, Radio 4 is a fantastic service, there's nothing like it worldwide.
In summary, Netflix largely average with a few novelty things every now and again, it's capitalism again trying to give us as little for as much as they can get.
BBC is not perfect, but by a country mile better than Netflix et al.

This is subjective.
I disagree and it's OK. Even though BBC has more. I think there are 2 or 3 things I watch. Where as netflix (alone) has kept me going for 5 years+ without a break and no other services. I ditched BBC years ago.

Price is Comparable to be fair. If you're mainstream or like things like soaps, factual stuff. BBC is better.

But netflix has far far better niche content.
I could list so many shows I've loved off netflix. But only nature stuff from BBC.

 

[dlockers]

Also this is absurd, the Netflix business model is almost entirely based on bringing in new customers by releasing new content, it's actually a major criticism that they bring out so many A+ budget shows with a couple of series but them never finish them! The back catalogue helps retain customers but the vast majority of money goes towards new content as that is what is driving their growth at the moment.

It's a race to the top though, much like Premier League football. The price of content will just keep increasing, with those cost simply past onto the consumer.

 

[LabR@t]

Looking at my usage for Jan 2022
Lecky 700kw
Gas 2400

700*29.23p £204
2400*7.43p £178

I can absorb the new prices but many won't and this extra won't be being spent in the economy.

It's not sustainable is it? What will give first?

 

[LabR@t]

It's a race to the top though, much like Premier League football. The price of content will just keep increasing, with those cost simply past onto the consumer.

People will just go back to pirating everything

 

[Curlyriff]

Yikes, I seemed to have touched a bit of a nerve there!

Have you considered that running a live public service broadcast network for the benefit of everyone takes a fair amount of cash?

I’d also suggest that for the money, the BBC puts out an order of magnitude more content than prime, Netflix, Disney+, Hulu and HBO combined each week across all its platforms. Streaming services put out very little in the way of new content and rely on their back catalogues to add value.

I also find it incredibly hard to believe that you or your family haven’t benefitted from any BBC services. I’m just not buying it.

The taking away of free licences for pensioners was an obvious stitch up by the government, they stopped proving the funding to the BBC to cover that cost. You really any use that as an anti BBC argument.

Commercialising the BBC will likely strip away what makes it world renowned for what it does. The complete lack of commercial interests and general lack of political influence in the BBC make it what it is.

Take that away and we will end up with something more akin to what the US has which is utter tripe. Hell if the government had its way, the BBC would be more like RT.

Ultimately the TV licence is a stealth tax, but it’s a steal tax worth paying to have an independent public service broadcaster for the benefit of the UK.

I’d even go as far as saying it should be mandatory for every household to be collected via counsel tax, that would cut the cost a smidge and all the admin needed to administer the TV licence.

We litereally use nothing from the BBC at all. Otherwise we'd need a licence but you can believe what you want. I haven't personally used the BBC directly for over a decade since I moved out my parents home.

Following that the family doesn't and we only had the licence for sky but since Sky was cut didn't need the licence anymore.

It certainly shouldn't be through the council tax. That is just mad talk now. Why would I pay into a service I have zero use from at all and haven't in a decade!

 

[Curlyriff]

Since when does BBC cost more than netflix....

It's £159 a year so it is more than a standard 1080p netflix sub then for it.

 

[Curlyriff]

I agree with the maths and the BBC is just a part of the TV licence as the TV licence allows you to watch "Live" TV as well. So you can't watch or record ANY live TV as well as anything live on a streaming service.

This gets VERY difficult for them to enforce but watch your friend on YouTube streaming live? Fine! (as in you pay a fine!). Watch someone on Facebook doing that live streaming stuff, Fine! (pay them again!). You could argue they're not programmes if they're your actual real life friends but if they aren't and they're people making money from the streaming then it could be considered a "live programme" and you will be fined.

The BBC is a part of the TV licence but if you factor in the recording side and the live streaming side of ANY platform then the cost of the BBC side is lowered. By how much I don't know but it must be.

You'd probably get away with it for sure but you would be breaking the law when you did.

You don't pay for any live streaming. You pay for live TV broadcasts even if its from another country and yet the BBC get it. That's mental.

 

[Curlyriff]

But that's far from a like for like comparison, the BBC produces WAY more quality than Netflix, I would choose iplayer over Netflix anyday, before we even consider radio, Radio 4 is a fantastic service, there's nothing like it worldwide.
In summary, Netflix largely average with a few novelty things every now and again, it's capitalism again trying to give us as little for as much as they can get.
BBC is not perfect, but by a country mile better than Netflix et al.

I don't watch anything form BBC, there nothing they produced that I have gone I really need to watch that and I've not listened to radio since I was a child so I see the BBC as you see Netflix as example.

 

[LabR@t]

BBC employees too many people who just don't deserve the money whether it's over paid celebrities or the drones.

The BBC jolly that is Glastonbury is a fine example.

Can we see any audits into the BBC funding/spending?

I fully support making it subscription service.

 

[newbiejim]

FWIW, a bumbling inefficient benign state run service IMO is WAY preferable to rampant capitalism churning out populist drivel.

 

[Uther]

Wanting the BBC added to council tax is insane.

 

[LabR@t]

It's far from benign and with capitalist subscription models you choose to pay our not to pay

 

[newbiejim]

It's far from benign and with capitalist subscription models you choose to pay our not to pay

We could debate this, but I wont , we are all entitled to our opinion.