Thoughts on Excessive Speed

ttaskmaster said:
I'd support that.


I grew up a good while before the internet really existed, and certainly no sites like that were around.
I probably can't post the site itself, but it's sick and it's **** to find several dozen videos of just the machete videos. Then there are plenty of point-blank shootings and executions, beatings and the like, as well as people in what looks like India going up to the mangled human remains of an RTA and filming it on their phones, only to show that the 'deceased' is still breathing.
With such a volume of material so freely available, it's no wonder people are desensitised.


There is some truth to that.
First time I drove a BMW I realised I had actually gone from being a mild-mannered Škoda driver to driving like a ****!
No rhyme or reason, nor intent, it was just the way the car drove with a real feeling of being disconnected from the road....
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Internet before live leak wasn't even internet tbh :cry:
 
kindai said:
So you think that there would be a point where driving through a housing estate at 60mph would be acceptable?

I wouldnt by the very nature that its a housing estate...
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If I used your ideal world example where you could drive at 200mph then yea, if the housing estate was subject to the same set of circumstances then why not? What could go wrong?

You’ve picked a very weird line of defence for your hysterical posting.
 
Chris Wilson said:
The awesome road from Macclesfield up to the Cat and Fiddle pub (and vice versa) was a favourite of mine, but last time I used it there were a plethora of speed cameras and it apparently has a strong police presence on sunny weekends. I remember that if I couldn't light my fag on a front disc when enntering the resticed zone in Macc I felt i hadn't really been applying myself fully :) (I was young, somewhat irresponsible and the roads were relatively deserted, with speed cameras then a distant and seemingly unlikely threat).
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Average speed cameras the whole way now sadly. Still, took the McLaren up there a little while ago on the way to Derbyshire and still had fun on the really tight bits.

Haggisman said:
The fact it was also an accident blackspot is just coincidence then? :cry:
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200sols said:
So the reason is antisocial driving + high accident rate(probably I didn't look it up) rather than car hating Welsh? :p

If people.treat roads as racetracks don't be surprised if authorities take action really.
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Sure, but the people doing stupid stuff isn't the point. They'd do that stuff if the road had a 10mph limit or no limit at all. The point was that people negotiated the road close to but not exceeding the previous 60mph limit and did so without dying. Those same people now doing the exact same thing would be "excessively speeding". Nothing changed, only the number in the circle.
 
Zeebedy said:
yes. as I have mentioned before, there are speed limits for a reason, its not only YOU that you risk in death, its other car persons around you.

tracks are the place for the "excessive" speed.
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That's the most important thing. I doubt many people care if some kid wants to zoom about and kill themselves, but it is insanely irresponsible to risk the lives of other people.
 
Gaygle said:
Also, it's also a reminder about what your local emergency services have to look at and deal with on a daily basis. They do such an amazing job (perhaps too good) of hiding the reality of serious and fatal collisions from members of the public, that they don't get the appreciation they deserve. Just remember, when you see on the news the 30 second snippet that there was a fatal collision, it could have involved someone burning to death in a car, someone hideously maimed, someone who was alive talking to the emergency services for some time before dying, or someone who was calling out for their mother before they died - it's ridiculously traumatic and it's only when you see "normal" member's of the public reaction to this sort of stuff, you realise what fortitude the emergency services have to have to not only not let it affect them, but then to do a job, search a body, and tell the relatives. Often at these collisions, there are "normal" members of the public who are fainting, in hysterics physically and uncontrollably shaking - but your friendly emergency services have to just get on with it.
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I think that is part of the reason (probably more so than just enforcing the law) that a lot of police officers tend to have very little patience with drivers who clearly don't understand the risks and refuse to understand why the officers may not be happy with them speeding, or with their "minor defect", especially when there is anything wrong with the vehicle belonging to someone speeding.

I try not to speed, but generally won't get too upset with people that speed a bit, however I've seen people complain about the "silly low limit" on some of my local roads and I know exactly why that limit is "silly low", as I've passed the rememnents of past crashes, seen the holes in the hedge, and in some cases knew (vaguely through friends/family) people involved in some serious crashes, and many more potentially serious ones (one of the roads is now a 40, but when it was national if you knew it you were imo insane to do 60 on it much of the time due to blind bends, unexpected surface water, mud, or in dry weather sand coating the surface*, and that's before the chance of wildlife).

I also use the A5 regularly and the number of crashes on that is at times pretty insane, I've personally seen a couple of cars over turned half way down a slip road from one of the roundabouts (other cars, including a couple of damaged ones effectively blocked the turning off), and I've lost track of the number of new bits of car that pop up and you notice if you're using it daily, sometimes quite large bits that have obviously been missed by the clean up crews.
IIRC Two people died over new years when it appears they didn't notice/couldn't slow down enough as they approached one of the very clearly marked large roundabouts and from what has been reported dukes of hazzard'd it :( (hit at speed, took off and I believe died on landing).


*It's hilly, winding (with sharp turns), wood on one side and fields on the other, and there are/were at least two sand quarries that had vehicles using it, not to mention farm vehicles. I know several people that hit deer/badgers in the last few years on it, and one of my mum's friends nearly died when a badger wrapped itself around her front wheel as she approached a turn with a drop just past the border hedge (my neighbour had to do some fairly hefty repairs, and he was only doing around 30 at the time of impact).
 
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DRZ said:
Sure, but the people doing stupid stuff isn't the point. They'd do that stuff if the road had a 10mph limit or no limit at all. The point was that people negotiated the road close to but not exceeding the previous 60mph limit and did so without dying. Those same people now doing the exact same thing would be "excessively speeding". Nothing changed, only the number in the circle.
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I see they installed average speed cameras on that road, now it's quite remote I doubt they'd do that unless it was quite a serious blackspot.
 
DRZ said:
As I said, people in Germany manage 100+ mph for hours at a time, all day, every day. Billions of miles driven. Why isn't everyone dead?
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why would they be all dead?! neither i nor anyone else, i think, have claimed that everyone that speeds excessively will end up in a fiery death - that certainly would be a pretty hysterical thing to post would it not?
to put it in simple terms - if something goes wrong, out of a drivers control, the speed they are travelling at will have an impact on the outcome. take the driver in the op, maybe what caused the crash was out of their control but what 100% was in his control was the speed he was travelling at. had he been driving slower then the outcome may not have been so brutal for the pair them. if you can't or won't accept that going faster increases the risk of crash and increases the risk serious harm or injury if a crash occurs then i fear all the advanced driver training you've been on was either wasted or you didn't pay as much attention as you should have as i'm pretty sure that would have a major point in the training.
DRZ said:
It is all about picking a speed safe for the conditions, your car and your ability.
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that's all well and good but it doesn't account for the actions of others or situations outside of the conditions, car and driver ability. and you may well find this hysterical too but it's genuinely frightening that someone such as yourself who has been on advanced driving lessons isn't aware of that. is it too long ago to ask for your money back :p
there's nowt wrong with driving at 150mph and fair play to you for having the skills to successfully drive at that speed, but public highways isn't the place for that, irrespective of your ability, the cars ability or the road conditions.
 
DRZ said:
One was caused by a mechanical failure when travelling at 30mph in a 40mph zone, speed not a factor.
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and this is where you are wrong. speed was and always is a factor, it maybe wasn't a factor in what caused the accident but it was a factor in how survivable the accident was - what would have been the outcome had you had the mechanical failure if you'd been driving at 100mph? or even 70?
 
Werewolf said:
or with their "minor defect", especially when there is anything wrong with the vehicle belonging to someone speeding.
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Something I've mentioned before but interesting on the dual-carriageway into the town I work in - the local police are relatively tolerant of speeding compared to the national average but if someone does get caught speeding they throw the book at them - I've seen it before where someone goes flying past me at the start of the dual-carriageway and when I get to the layby near the end they are there with the police going over the car with a fine toothcomb LOL.
 
I've done vehicle recovery before and attended many accidents like this, it's always grim.

Did one the week before Xmas, myself and a female police officer spent 10mins picking up the Xmas pressies that had been strewn about after the car rolled about 5 times, grim memory.

I don't have a fast car but would like to think that if I did, I still wouldn't be a berk.
 
SpellowHouse said:
That's the most important thing. I doubt many people care if some kid wants to zoom about and kill themselves, but it is insanely irresponsible to risk the lives of other people.
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But what if I am an aDvAnCeD dRiVeR (and wealthy)
 
DRZ said:
As I said, people in Germany manage 100+ mph for hours at a time, all day, every day. Billions of miles driven. Why isn't everyone dead?
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They do pay for it with more deaths. Everyone dead is an absurdity.
Research by the European Transport Safety Council (ETSC) in 2019 suggested that the German autobahn network was the 10th safest in Europe with a risk of death around twice as high as on motorways in the UK. The German Road Safety Council also did a study that indicated around 25% more deaths occurred on unrestricted sections of autobahn than on sections with speed limits.
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Josh said:
I've done vehicle recovery before and attended many accidents like this, it's always grim.

Did one the week before Xmas, myself and a female police officer spent 10mins picking up the Xmas pressies that had been strewn about after the car rolled about 5 times, grim memory.

I don't have a fast car but would like to think that if I did, I still wouldn't be a berk.
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What do you know about Honda CRVs?
 
I drive too fast, I know I do and I still do it. I'm driving a couple of hours a day and after a while you sort of get the feel for driving more and more and as a result your "safe speed" becomes faster than many others.

Id like to think I'm a decent driver (although my wife may disagree) but one things for sure there are some shockingly unconfident drivers on the road
 
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