Time off in lieu, what's the point?

[Jono8]

How odd. We get paid time and a half for overtime where I work.

 

[Kenai]

How odd. We get paid time and a half for overtime where I work.

Count yourself lucky then, plenty of places and even industries as a whole operate on a 'you stay as long as it takes for you to achieve X and Y by Friday' basis, even if achieving X and Y by Friday is almost certainly impossible in standard working hours

 

[theone8181]

Count yourself lucky then, plenty of places and even industries as a whole operate on a 'you stay as long as it takes for you to achieve X and Y by Friday' basis, even if achieving X and Y by Friday is almost certainly impossible in standard working hours

Sound a like poor planning go me. Me boss 'expects' everyone to do an extra 15% for free bit I refuse. I don't get a 15% discount on my bills which ultimately is what we work to pay for. I understand some people may feel the need to work for free but I don't, why should i?

 

[Stewy]

It's pretty handy if you, for example, work 2 hours extra on a Tuesday and get to leave 2 hours early on the Friday, or just handy if you want to take an afternoon off before a holiday etc.

 

[Richie]

This is why I come in late and leave early. I don't work for free and if they expect outside of hours monitoring and working outside of hours for time in lieu, then I am not going to give them more than they pay for.

According to above, you give them less time than they pay for (start late and finish early) or did I pick it up wrong?

 

[Kuros]

I work in a school, so everyone here gets banked hours and TOIL.

You must remember that for some businesses, you've got fixed wage costs which you can't easily justify paying more for. Allowing TOIL means that you still get the work done when you need to but the company still doesn't have the problems of paying more than they are allowed.

 

[Destination]

According to above, you give them less time than they pay for (start late and finish early) or did I pick it up wrong?

They made him wear a uniform that makes him looks like a baby clown that got doused in foam. He is still upset about it.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

I would hate working overtime for TOIL, I get time and a half as standard, get lieu days if I work or do cover on bank holidays as well though. As mentioned before it's not really an incentive, it's just doing the work now instead of doing it tomorrow, that's just swapping shifts in my book.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I work in a school, so everyone here gets banked hours and TOIL.

You must remember that for some businesses, you've got fixed wage costs which you can't easily justify paying more for. Allowing TOIL means that you still get the work done when you need to but the company still doesn't have the problems of paying more than they are allowed.

Not pay paying overtime and giving TOIL isn't really that clear cut from a cost point of view because you are essentially loosing productivity from your normal day to day business which in turn may cost you more than just paying the overtime.

 

[Moothead2]

At my work you can choose to put it on either the flexi or the overtime sheet so you can basically choose between the two.

 

[Slime]

Last year I reckon I accrued around 40 extra days in lieu on top of my 25 days holiday at a 1:1 ratio. I'd rather be paid but it's not an option for me and its actually quite nice when you get towards the back end of the year and take weeks at a time to use it all up before it expires in the new year.

 

[anything I don't mind]

For me if I work weekend or evening and get toil I only have to continue the work when I am back at work. Being off work does not decrease the work I do, often it increases it. I'll get back from toil only to be hit with loads of work I missed while off. It works both ways if they need ne to work out side of normal hours then I am going to come in late and leave early.

 

[sports_brah]

I worked all Easter and got "Time off in Lieu".

Would rather have been with family...

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I got asked to edit a video for work, because they know "I'm good with computers".

My boss asked me how long it took as I was doing the editing at home and I said 4hrs. Bingo, 4hrs in lieu. It took 30 minutes

 

[PinkFloyd]

To some extent I get to pick and choose between overtime and TOIL. Having the option of choosing TOIL can be a godsend at times, this year I've burnt up too much holiday and I've needed to take some time off for Weddings and similar. I ended up working New Year's Day, and instead of overtime had 3 days of TOIL, meaning I could go on a trip I wanted to do despite having ran out of holiday.

If you don't get the option of choosing when to take your TOIL however that sucks. If I was in the same position I'd tell my boss to sod off, I guess I'm lucky I get the option to chose the days within reason.

 

[Kenai]

Sound a like poor planning go me. Me boss 'expects' everyone to do an extra 15% for free bit I refuse. I don't get a 15% discount on my bills which ultimately is what we work to pay for. I understand some people may feel the need to work for free but I don't, why should i?

When it's very prevalent in an industry though, many feel compelled to do it. Johnny on the clock is the guy who gets the reputation as workshy etc. especially if his tasks aren't completed (whether by poor work or management expectation) and no promotions, no payrises etc.

If it's the same anywhere in your industry, the choices can be very limited to just stick it to them and go elsewhere with greener grass.

To be clear, i'm not saying it's right but it's the situation many are in

 

[kitkat9933]

I'm meant to get TOIL but i'm never allowed to use it.

 

[Soundood]

I worked in a place where TOIL was given for working over hours, they had no limit on the amount of time that could be accrued,

I spent three months working stupid hours, trying to get a project finished, compounded by the fact my assistant was long term sick,

in the end I accrued nearly three weeks worth of TOIL, so I added a couple of days Holiday to it and put in my request for time off,

You should have seen my Managers face when I gave him the verbal heads up, it was as if I had just killed his mother, He basically refused it on the spot, claiming the two week rule etc.

At that point I swore I would never work for TOIL again, EVER.

I have since changed this to never working over a weeks worth of TOIL, and that I must be able to take it, before I accrue anymore.

but yes its a con, but has its benefits if you fancy a quick getaway with the missus, and don't want to use Holiday allowance.

 

[Edinho]

Count yourself lucky then, plenty of places and even industries as a whole operate on a 'you stay as long as it takes for you to achieve X and Y by Friday' basis, even if achieving X and Y by Friday is almost certainly impossible in standard working hours

So if I do X and Y by noon Monday I get the rest of the week off? What a load of cods-whallop. It's a way of getting people to get the job done without paying them. Unless you are getting paid by the job ie. a contractor they are taking the Mick.

 

[Illusion]

Time off in lieu is great...I'll happily work an extra few hours Monday to Thursday and then have a half day Friday. We also earn a day off in lieu for each bank holiday we are on call for (while still being paid well for being on call). This allows me to accrue more days to use to go on trips abroad etc, I'm not complaining at all, especially when you consider that each day off is effectively well over £100 in money terms.

I could understand it if your employer uses it as an excuse not to reward you financially, but if it's just the off few hours here and there in times of need it shouldn't be that big of a problem surely