Time off in lieu, what's the point?

[David_VI]

only 5 leave days?

Do you work full time? If so, that sounds illegal... I'm sure there is a minimum statutory amount along the lines of 21 days?

I think the key point there is 'to do what we like with' suggesting the rest are enforced and so can't be taken at will, which is entirely legal. I 'lose' a chunk to a Christmas shutdown where the business doesn't operate for 2 working weeks.

Thats right, our roster works on 8 weeks on 2 weeks off. During most weeks I only get one day off, sometimes working 7 days in a row. Because all the other rest days are grouped together with some annual leave days to create the 2 weeks off.

Thats why day in lieu works so well in this industry, those two weeks off won't always fall on where you want them but you can just work a bunch of it to get some days.

 

[Guest2]

May have already been said but I do not understand why TOIL 1.5 or TOIL 2x does not reflect overtime 1.5x or overtime 2x - ie if you want to take TOIL instead of double time you only get single TOIL time

 

[wingman]

Working as an accountant, you gain so much flex time due to month/quarter/year end, that taking that time back when you want actually works out pretty well.

 

[Draeger]

Left & Right hand - Never the twain shall meet......

Our workplace has various permutations of paid overtime and TIL. For a lot of the activities they wish staff to undertake out-with their normal working hours they offer TIL back instead of payment (they used to offer payment for many of these activities but changed this because of budget cuts).

I can't understand what goes on in the minds of senior management though, as recently they steamrollered through a 'cap' on the amount of TIL employees can accrue. Now most people have hit that cap and management still can't understand why no-one will undertake any further work out-with their normal hours for a generous reimbursement of time back.

 

[oldbag]

It sucks because you have to spend the entire time in the loo.

*gets coat*

 

[crinkleshoes]

May have already been said but I do not understand why TOIL 1.5 or TOIL 2x does not reflect overtime 1.5x or overtime 2x - ie if you want to take TOIL instead of double time you only get single TOIL time

It does...

 

[NickK]

In NL the TOIL rules are very strict and there's no official limit with carry over..

One woman in the NL office managed to accrue 76 days. When she left the company, not only could she walk out the door immediately but the company had to pay her for the additional remaining time.

Any good TOIL should state that you have to have taken the time off X amount of time after the date and that you have a maximum.

 

[Guest2]

It does...

It doesn't where I work. For example you can either work at the weekend (when needed) for double time or take TOIL single time. It sucks balls

 

[crinkleshoes]

I'd take the double time then... I wouldn't touch the TOIL

 

[Meridian]

I can't understand what goes on in the minds of senior management though, as recently they steamrollered through a 'cap' on the amount of TIL employees can accrue. Now most people have hit that cap and management still can't understand why no-one will undertake any further work out-with their normal hours for a generous reimbursement of time back.

In a previous job I met a couple of very senior managers who were utterly convinced that taking a day off in lieu was the same as an extra day of holiday. They seemed completely unable to understand that a day off in lieu is a day which has already been worked. They capped accumulated time for the this reason.

My current job in theory allows TOIL. But. First, you have to fill a stupid form in every time. This is even if you are just leaving an hour early and outside core hours. Second, like most such systems it falls down because we are understaffed and thus never have time to take off.