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Time to dump my 4770K?

X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
Hi guys,

Would I be a fool to drop my i7 [email protected], mobo, and ram today in favour of an OCUK 8700K bundle?

When I am playing Battlefield 1 (daily!), I really notice my frame-rates all over the place 64 player matches and im keen to try out the new 8700K, but at the same time Im thinking maybe I should wait for Icelake next year.... I am finding the decision quite agonising to be honest.

It is only Bf1 that seems to make my rig sweat, every other game keeps consitantly high frame-rates (I am running a 165hz 1440p G-sync monitor and like to keep them as high as possible)

To be clear I cant afford to do another upgrade for at least 5 years after this one so it really has to last me a long time when I do upgrade.

I appreciate your input!
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You have a sloppy overclock. I can guarantee this. BF1 is a master at pointing out sloppy overclocks. I'm @4.5 (cores and cache) on Devil's Canyon (same IPC) and I maintain over 100FPS (usually overt 115) @ 1440P max settings with my 1080 in BF1 in 64 player matches. I had micro stutter prior to overclocking but now it is smooth as silk without a hitch.

Same architecture, crappier GPU, 100Mhz slower. You've done something wrong.
 
mistersprinkles said:
You have a sloppy overclock. I can guarantee this. BF1 is a master at pointing out sloppy overclocks. I'm @4.5 (cores and cache) on Devil's Canyon (same IPC) and I maintain over 100FPS (usually overt 115) @ 1440P max settings with my 1080 in BF1 in 64 player matches. I had micro stutter prior to overclocking but now it is smooth as silk without a hitch.

Same architecture, crappier GPU, 100Mhz slower. You've done something wrong.
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There could be a great deal of other reasons other than a bad overclock. There's a huge thread over Nvidia about bf1 and micro stuttering.
 
mistersprinkles said:
You have a sloppy overclock. I can guarantee this. BF1 is a master at pointing out sloppy overclocks. I'm @4.5 (cores and cache) on Devil's Canyon (same IPC) and I maintain over 100FPS (usually overt 115) @ 1440P max settings with my 1080 in BF1 in 64 player matches. I had micro stutter prior to overclocking but now it is smooth as silk without a hitch.
Same architecture, crappier GPU, 100Mhz slower. You've done something wrong.
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your getting over 100fps @ 1440p ultra preset? or modified.
on your CPU that is a stunning frame rate.

Edit: LOL thought you had an i5, my bad
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I would stick with what you have - AMD and Intel will be refreshing their ranges over the next 12 months to 18 months with newer models. Ryzen is the first version of the new AMD uarch,so future ones will have improvements in clockspeed,and certainly other areas,and Intel will eventually get to 10NM and launch CPUs with updated cores too. The other consideration is whether the newer CPUs will launch with platforms supporting PCI-E 4.0 and other newer features.

If you were on an older CPU,it might be worth upgrading,but Haswell is still very solid even now,IMHO OFC.
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It will be very interesting to see what the 12nm Ryzen refresh will bring. I do expect a 10% bump in clock just because of the process improvement, so likely to hit 4.5GHz, but I am hoping that AMD can get a couple of "quick wins" as well from fixing blatant omissions in the "v1" chip. It's a completely new architecture so with some hand-optimising of some critical areas they could get a nice bump.

The longer an architecture is out, the harder it gets to get improvements this way. Intel's CL for example must be optimised like hell, it's mostly just process improvements for them at this point...
 
Does overclocking the Cache actually make any difference on DC? i run my at a very generic 3.8Ghz OC, its actually quite difficult to get it 'much' higher, and its hotter, much hotter... i don't feel comfortable running it at 4Ghz even, if feels like it wants to go bang.
 
humbug said:
Does overclocking the Cache actually make any difference on DC? i run my at a very generic 3.8Ghz OC, its actually quite difficult to get it 'much' higher, and its hotter, much hotter... i don't feel comfortable running it at 4Ghz even, if feels like it wants to go bang.
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Definitely makes a difference. What cooler are you using? I'm using an NH-U14S with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. Never go over 70.

I had no issues overclocking my cores and cache to 4.5. All I did was enable LLC, set vcore to 1.24, CPU input voltage to 1.9, XMP for RAM and that's pretty much it.
 
Cache overclocking make a big difference in bench tests, but in the real world its little to no gains depending on your systems use.

I do over clock Cache but not by much, if my CPU was at 4.5Ghz i would have Cache at about 4/4.1. the extra heat docent match the gains
 
humbug said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/b-gr...t-120mm-variable-speed-control-bg-052-nx.html

I'll give it another go..
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That might be your problem. That thing looks about like a Corsair H50 or H60. Kind of a pointless AIO. You'd be better off with a good air cooler. What voltages are you using to hit specific clocks? How high have you overclocked?

4770K runs hotter than 4790K due to inferior thermal paste between the die and IHS and also tends to need more volts for specific frequency targets so YMMV.

Apparently I got a pretty good 4790K given what I'm needing for 4.5... haven't tried to go any faster and probably won't since I have a cruddy 4 phase motherboard and I need it to last as I don't have any money put aside for a replacement should something go screwy... and my board is no longer in warranty.

BTW have you noticed the player population for BF1 really dying off lately? So hard to find a game that isn't full (not that there are many) or finding a game at all sometimes. I'm in easternish Canada.
 
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Well your first mistake was overclocking in windows. Never do that. Do it through your UEFI bios.
That's quite the vcore offset you have going there... I'm not sure you need it for 4.6? Do you? IDK. Clear your OC and do it through the bios. Watch some guides.
 
I did OC in the BIOS, it still reads in the application, i use it for case fan profiles, i like to have a silent case when cooling is not needed.

I haven't used LLC on the volts, under stress the volts are 1.284v, i could probably get away with 1.27v but that's right on the boarder of what i know is stable.
 
wait.
I'm on a 2600k with a decent overclock. First thing that's likely to be a decent upgrade is a none price gouged coffee lake or pinnacle ridge next year.
Considering everything Intel are throwing at getting folks to buy chips over the holiday period (a launch, a paper launch and a "promise we'll have even better soon!" (10nm) I'm of the mind that pinnacle will see them pushed even further from the enthusiast throne and they're getting scared.
Thinking mines likely a 2700/2700x in March.
 
humbug said:
I did OC in the BIOS, it still reads in the application, i use it for case fan profiles, i like to have a silent case when cooling is not needed.

I haven't used LLC on the volts, under stress the volts are 1.284v, i could probably get away with 1.27v but that's right on the boarder of what i know is stable.
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My mistake, I apologize
 
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