To the makers of Doom.

[jigger]

Do people even use discs these days?

Have not had a DVD rom for a very long time. . .

LOL

You don't know what you're missing. You can transfer data at ludicrous speeds and it solves all the UK's telecom infrastructure problems over night.

Instead of spending billions of pounds on the telecoms systems just give everyone optical drives and let them use the already super fast transport network system. People can run faster than the internet

 

[ChrisJSY]

In this thread: People who don't realise a lot of the 1st world still don't have the ability to obtain a decent internet connection and even when you can, come with ridiculous caps.

You keep saying "get with the times" but I think it's you guys who need to expand your knowledge of how things are in some places. I'm lucky that I have 40/40 but I cannot pay for more, literally. They do not have a higher tier, I've asked to pay double/triple and they won't increase my speeds. It's stupid. (yet they offer it elsewhere, it's because of an agreement where I live, red tape bs)

 

[Rroff]

In this thread: People who don't realise a lot of the 1st world still don't have the ability to obtain a decent internet connection and even when you can, come with ridiculous caps.

You keep saying "get with the times" but I think it's you guys who need to expand your knowledge of how things are in some places. I'm lucky that I have 40/40 but I cannot pay for more, literally. They do not have a higher tier, I've asked to pay double/triple and they won't increase my speeds. It's stupid. (yet they offer it elsewhere, it's because of an agreement where I live, red tape bs)

Yeah - lots of the villages around me still have like 2mbit ADSL if they are lucky or high speed under one of various schemes that usually have either usage allowances, metering or massive contention.

When I playing MMOs like eve online encountered a lot of people even living in 1st world countries who'd have like 10-20GB allowances and extremely expensive overage and would get other people in the group, guild, corp, etc. to post them large patches on disc.

 

[arc@css]

would get other people in the group, guild, corp, etc. to post them large patches on disc.

Wow (no pun intended).

 

[mark43]

In this thread: People who don't realise a lot of the 1st world still don't have the ability to obtain a decent internet connection and even when you can, come with ridiculous caps.

You keep saying "get with the times" but I think it's you guys who need to expand your knowledge of how things are in some places. I'm lucky that I have 40/40 but I cannot pay for more, literally. They do not have a higher tier, I've asked to pay double/triple and they won't increase my speeds. It's stupid. (yet they offer it elsewhere, it's because of an agreement where I live, red tape bs)

Yep, exactly this! I think some people really don't realise how many areas still have poor speeds. It doesn't help that BT would rather focus on rolling out faster connections in areas already served by Virgin, so they can compete, rather than other areas.

 

[Amatsubu]

No matter how fast a connection you have, buying a physical copy only to realise you have to download 55gb of data is a preposterous idea.

It's not a problem for me at this point but I acknowledge it might be a problem for some. 55GB is not a small amount by any standards.

 

[Werewolf]

Wow (no pun intended).

I remember doing that for the UO3D beta for a friend in Sweden about 12-15 years ago, actually I think I did it for bout 3 members of my guild (at the time I had blisteringly fast 1 or 2mb cable).

 

[Safetytrousers]

I bought Mad Max on disc and all that contained was a link and licence to download it. That was 32GB.
And the disc was delivered about 3 days before the game was available. I opened it expecting to play it, and no go.

 

[Woogie]

Just done a quick search and have found the following in about 30 seconds. Star wars the force unleased (2009) was about 30gig in size, As was Age of Conan (2008). Guild wars was even more (2005) X-plane 9 was about 90gig fully updated.

It is nothing new to have massive games that you download, Having slow internet is a bummer but is not the end of the world. Download the game over night or while you are at work and worry about more important things.

 

[Kano]

Gotta love some of the attitudes in here "That's not a problem for me so deal with it".

Hopefully its just the cloak of internet bravery that turns people into selfish idiots rather than there being loads of people that genuinely have zero ability to consider that things might be different for someone else.

If you buy physical media, you have every right to expect the game to be on it. End of.

 

[Silent_Scone]

A lot of companies are doing this with their retail copies now. You're just buying a key with a novelty disc that will download the entire game cache from Steam.

Do I think it's wrong? Well if it isn't, it's pretty damn annoying if nothing else.

 

[Woogie]

Gotta love some of the attitudes in here "That's not a problem for me so deal with it".

Hopefully its just the cloak of internet bravery that turns people into selfish idiots rather than there being loads of people that genuinely have zero ability to consider that things might be different for someone else.

If you buy physical media, you have every right to expect the game to be on it. End of.

it was a problem for me for around a year and a half but guess what I did...I dealt with it even going so far as to take my computer to a friends house to download some games...guess what I didn't do....complain on a forum about it that will have no bearing on whether it gets fixed or not while calling them idiots for not being sympathetic to my "plight"

 

[MikeTheNative]

My friend lives 500m from a village with fibre but he has to live with download speeds of 350 Kbs. He doesn't even bother trying to download games or even updates, he just drives to my house and uses an external hard drive.

 

[Terrorfirmer]

Just done a quick search and have found the following in about 30 seconds. Star wars the force unleased (2009) was about 30gig in size, As was Age of Conan (2008). Guild wars was even more (2005) X-plane 9 was about 90gig fully updated.

It is nothing new to have massive games that you download, Having slow internet is a bummer but is not the end of the world. Download the game over night or while you are at work and worry about more important things.

Install size does not equal download size. Force Unleashed on Steam is actually 12 or 13GB, not 30GB, which is long way off the actual 55GB download size for Doom.

And you're also comparing the install size of fully patched games, with numerous add-ons and updates, to the basic day-one download size of Doom.

It's apples and oranges, there simply was not games back then that were remotely the size of this.

Doesn't affect me as I have 360mb internet but I remember the days very well when I was stuck on 56k when other people had 10mb, it was painful but thankfully the world was a slow-internet friendly place back then.

 

[Woogie]

Install size does not equal download size. Force Unleashed on Steam is actually 12 or 13GB, not 30GB, which is long way off the actual 55GB download size for Doom.

And you're also comparing the install size of fully patched games, with numerous add-ons and updates, to the basic day-one download size of Doom.

It's apples and oranges, there simply was not games back then that were remotely the size of this.

Doesn't affect me as I have 360mb internet but I remember the days very well when I was stuck on 56k when other people had 10mb, it was painful but thankfully the world was a slow-internet friendly place back then.

Day one patches are a frequent and regular thing. They have been for quite sometime so the install of a game is quite relevant in some respects. I appreciate most games you download these days are encrypted and compressed and then get extracted when installed but not all are or were back then.

The internet still is quite a friendly place, even here....Yet again you are expecting people who do not share the same view as yourself or see it even as an issue as "unfriendly"

 

[HRL]

55Gb may not be the worlds biggest download but it's not so quick to download while I'm streaming 4KHDR to my TV.

First world problems.

 

[Haggisman]

50gb may not be a lot to you inner city boys but top dollar for just a code and an
installer on a disc is not everyones cup of tea.

Top dollar?

Since when did a physical copy* of a game ever cost more than a digital copy?

*Funky collectors editions aside

 

[wolfie138]

Disks. I remember those.

Plastic waste does not cost peanuts.

how is it a waste when it's a permanent item you can use for reinstall etc.

 

[jigger]

Just done a quick search and have found the following in about 30 seconds. Star wars the force unleased (2009) was about 30gig in size, As was Age of Conan (2008). Guild wars was even more (2005) X-plane 9 was about 90gig fully updated.

It is nothing new to have massive games that you download, Having slow internet is a bummer but is not the end of the world. Download the game over night or while you are at work and worry about more important things.

Uncompressed file sizes and optional downloads as Terrorfirmer points out. If you bought those games retail the game data would be in your hand.

You well and truly miss the point, but lets take a look at internet speeds.

Ofcom - The average UK broadband speed is now 22.8Mbit/s

But the gap between urban, suburban and rural areas has widened.

Nearly one in three UK broadband connections (32%) are ‘up to’ 30Mbit/s or above services, up from 24% in November 2013, according to the research.

The average actual speed being delivered across connections with headline speeds of ‘up to’ 30Mbit/s and above was 50.4Mbit/s in November 2014, although a small proportion of customers will receive actual speeds below 30Mbit/s.

Cable broadband saw a 26% increase in average speeds, bringing average cable broadband speeds up to 54.4Mbit/s. This follows a speed upgrade programme by the UK’s largest cable broadband provider, Virgin Media, allowing customers to ‘opt-in’ for faster broadband.

The average speed of fibre services (not including cable connections) was 41.6Mbit/s, showing no significant change in the six months to November 2014.

The average speed of ADSL connections - still the most common type of residential broadband - saw no significant change in the six months to November 2014, providing an average speed of 7.3Mbit/s.

Urban and rural broadband speeds

Average download speeds in urban areas increased by 21% in the six months to November 2014, largely as a result of increasing take-up of faster services and Virgin Media’s upgrade programme.

As faster cable and fibre broadband services, with headline speeds of 30Mbit/s or more, typically have lower availability in rural areas, no statistically significant change in average speeds in suburban and rural areas was recorded over this period.

Should be reasonably simple to understand others points of view. Rural areas are well under half the UK average and suburban speeds have not changed.

Good luck downloading a 90GB file at those speeds.

Fedex could get you disks pretty much anywhere in the world next day before 9am. Downloading might take you a week or more when you could just have the data on disks.

 

[Rroff]

Day one patches are a frequent and regular thing. They have been for quite sometime so the install of a game is quite relevant in some respects. I appreciate most games you download these days are encrypted and compressed and then get extracted when installed but not all are or were back then.

Can't remember which they were off the top of my head - but I've had atleast 2 games recently where I've preloaded around 30GB and then had 12-20GB patches once they go live due to various reasons including major bugs found at the last minute - which anyone with the disc version would have to do anyway.