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Scuzi said:
Well, very good then. Why quote me when making the point? It appeares you were suggesting that I claimed that an emergency stop, and only an emergency stop in the scenario you concocted can be influenced by knowlege of how the car reacts.


No, I'm not. I don't get my knickers into a twist, love. It just isn't your style to nitpick and selectively argue, hence my suspicion.
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I wouldn't have had to selectively argue if the goalposts weren't being shifted :p

I dunno, I got a bit too friendly with the quote button and now I am killing families. *sigh* ;) :p

AcidHell2 said:
How about if you need to swerve? how do you know where the grip limit is?

What happens if you take a corner the same speed you use to and the new tyres don't have as much grip?
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See, there we go again moving the goalposts. Nobody is talking about cornering. Just about emergency stopping.
 
It's an emergency, if you need to swerve you need to swerve, you won't think 'I've not got enough grip for this so I'll carry on going straight' and crash into whatever you're trying to avoid.

I stand by my point that practicing emergency stops is pointless.
 
Dfhaii said:
It's an emergency, if you need to swerve you need to swerve, you won't think 'I've not got enough grip for this so I'll carry on going straight' and crash into whatever you're trying to avoid.

I stand by my point that practicing emergency stops is pointless.
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You shouldn't just be a zombie in an emergency. You should react and counter react. If you haven't practiced you will just be a zombie and will increase your chance of actually crashing. You know Scuzi and I are right. It's why everyone in important roles practice emergencies. It's so you can react and know what to do and not act like a mindless zombie.

DRZ said:
See, there we go again moving the goalposts. Nobody is talking about cornering. Just about emergency stopping.
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It's not moving the goal post it all falls under the same thing. Learning the new charistics of your tyres and how they change the behaviour of your car.
 
AcidHell2 said:
You shouldn't just be a zombie in an emergency. You should react and counter react. If you haven't practiced you will just be a zombie and will increase your chance of actually crashing. You know Scuzi and I are right. It's why everyone in important roles practice emergencies. It's so you can react and know what to do and not act like a mindless zombie.
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Are you honestly trying to say that in an emergency you wouldn't swerve if you knew it'd break traction, that you would carry on going straight?
 
Practicing an important role in an emergency situation is a completely different kettle of fish to applying the brakes to stop as quickly as possible.

Given that no two emergency situations on the road are the same, what exactly do you practice?
 
Dfhaii said:
Are you honestly trying to say that in an emergency you wouldn't swerve if you knew it'd break traction, that you would carry on going straight?
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No I'm saying I would know how my car would react and with that knowledge I can make an informed decision on how best to avoid a situation. Something you could not do and just go on instinct.

DRZ said:
Given that no two emergency situations on the road are the same, what exactly do you practice?
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Of course there not the same. Basic emergency stops and a few handling abilitys. You can't learn everything. but by doing a few emergency stops and a few corners at speed, you can learn a vast amount.
 
AcidHell2 said:
No I'm saying I would know how my car would react and with that knowledge I can make an informed decision on how best to avoid a situation. Something you could not do and just go on instinct.


Of course there not the same. Basic emergency stops and a few handling abilitys. You can't learn everything. but by doing a few emergency stops and a few corners at speed, you can learn a vast amount.
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Stop talking about corners. Stop in the distance you can see to be clear and all that. Why would you be wanging on the brakes mid-corner? Unless of course corners had nothing to do with the subject at hand....
 
DRZ said:
Stop talking about corners. Stop in the distance you can see to be clear and all that. Why would you be wanging on the brakes mid-corner? Unless of course corners had nothing to do with the subject at hand....
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Humm so you go round a blind corner and meet stationery traffic. Humm I wonder. Your clearly arguing for the sake of it.
 
Gaijin said:
Indeed they are not. I have 452's up front. I'm not a fan of the performance or the wear rate.
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Well I'm not too bothered about wear rate as I do very low mileage in the Z4, what other aspect of their performance don't you like?
 
AcidHell2 said:
Humm so you go round a blind corner and meet stationery traffic. Humm I wonder. Your clearly arguing for the sake of it.
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I'd love to know why such an upstanding, responsible driver like yourself would be going around blind corners so fast that you would need to do an emergency stop.

Anyways, having read the thread you will notice that not once have I said that you shouldn't get to know your car and its abilities. Only that in an emergency stop situation, knowing those abilities doesn't really count for much.
 
Dfhaii said:
Pot, kettle.
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How is trying to show you the error of your ways arguing for the sake of it. It''s a safety issue and I'm trying to educate you. It's very clear why you would learn the basics.

DRZ said:
Only that in an emergency stop situation, knowing those abilities doesn't really count for much.
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So you understand why you should know your car, but don't understand why you would need to when you car is performing a manoeuvre right on the edge of it's limits.

As I said before an emergency stop might not just be jab the brakes and stop in a straight line. And certainly no emergency stops are like taht if you don't have abs.
 
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HEADRAT said:
Well I'm not too bothered about wear rate as I do very low mileage in the Z4, what other aspect of their performance don't you like?
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Wet weather performance leaves much to be desired, if I so much as unleash 2 of my 5 torks, they spin up.

Dry weather grip is average at best, its predictable when it lets go but its earlier than im used to.

Very comparable to Kumho Ecstas. Except the Kumho's were considerably better when new, and degraded with wear. These have always been average.

Crying Freeman says a lot of the Evo guys swear by the 452's but I guess its a bit different for 4WD.

Anyways im not going to lie and says they are great just because I bought them, I just think they are distinctly average tyres and I won't be buying them again.

/EDIT Sidewall is not bad though, can't comment on ride as i had them fitted at the same time as the coilovers.
 
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What exactly are you trying to teach me? To get to know my car? I've never said that's a bad idea.

From the start I said practicing emergency stops is pointless, I still feel it is. We could sit here all evening, saying 'yeah but if you knew, on tuesdays, when it's hailing, and the sun's in your eyes, and your tyres are bald, and complete brake failure happens, and your steering lock comes on, and your trousers catch fire, but sometimes, on the corner, with a new bonnet', but I still feel that practicing emergency stops is pointless.
 
I think housemaster said something about the demographics of forums and how it changes a few weeks ago. It's interesting how the preffered tyre choices change over time, as a car ages and becomes more affordable. It cannot be a co-incidence that as this happens the preffered tyre amongst members becomes cheaper and cheaper and the cars become more available to people who wouldn't normally buy them (And before you all go off one, that includes me, 'cos I couldnt buy a 2 year old 5 Series).

Until you get right to the bottom, the Mondeo forums, where they all love remoulds on their Mk1's.
 
recon thats true?

when i was having my last set fitted there was a newish jag of some sort and it was having no-name tyres fitted, the specific instructions were the cheapest youve got in that size from the owner.

but then older performance cars can often end up on lovely rubber, but the clio my brother bought when it was two was on remoulds

i think its down to the specific owner, not whether they bought the car cheap.
 
[TW]Fox;10923871 said:
I think housemaster said something about the demographics of forums and how it changes a few weeks ago. It's interesting how the preffered tyre choices change over time, as a car ages and becomes more affordable. It cannot be a co-incidence that as this happens the preffered tyre amongst members becomes cheaper and cheaper and the cars become more available to people who wouldn't normally buy them (And before you all go off one, that includes me, 'cos I couldnt buy a 2 year old 5 Series).

Until you get right to the bottom, the Mondeo forums, where they all love remoulds on their Mk1's.
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Does that include folks with 20k+ M3's who regularly take said M3 round the ring? check BMWland for that.

And i can afford to put any tyre even on my car but nope, wont waste the money on what i do not consider to be worth the money. If a tyre ever comes out that is head and shoulders above ANY competition then i will buy it. Bar road legal slicks in the dry of course!

Some cars just suit different tyres, and luckily sometimes there are just great tyres at great prices.

The arguments to be had on the subject could run for years but i'm happy with my FK452's and i do not drive like a nun now i know the car.
 
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