Today I get rid of my runflats
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[TW]Fox;10923871 said:
That's not necessarily true. I have Falkens on my car as they were recommended by the Cerb forums at PH. Most chaps on there seem to know about the running costs of a Cerb, most also seem to know about many other aspects of the car, and yet they still suggest the 452's
Maybe tyre recommendations change as a manufacturer brings out a new tyre which is better, or just as good but cheaper, than the current stock.
For a long time the F1 has been bandied about as the nuts, but in that time I've had F1's plus others on my cars, some of the same vehicle and I've found them to be mediocre in comparrison to some others.
I can't compare the 452's (I had the previous type, 451's? on the Jag) as I have them on the cerb and have had no other tyres on it yet, but I can compare Avon ZZ3's against the F1 GSD3 on a Saab and found the Avons to be better.
Others have had different experiences, I'm sure, and I suppose a lot depends on drive layout, geometry, car type, weight, power and so on. Even changing the damper settings can make a car feel more planted so deciding that a set of tyres are rubbish just because some kwik-fit fitter slapped them on your motor at the last MOT is not necessarily a bench mark.
Sadly tyres are quite expensive and it can take a lot of time and effort to test various tyres on your set up to find the best.
Dunno if I'm bringing this thread on or off topic 
But I switched away from run-flats on my last tyre change, wouldn't go back to run-flats any time soon. They gave a much harsher sound going over small bumps, seemed to be noisier in general and I think a bit less comfortable too. The only thing was that on top of the £100 a tyre I paid, I also had to get the nice folks at the dealers to fit a spare wheel kit afterwards at the cost of £200 as well. That was nice.
And as tw focks mentioned, why is it that the M cars never come with run-flats?
But I switched away from run-flats on my last tyre change, wouldn't go back to run-flats any time soon. They gave a much harsher sound going over small bumps, seemed to be noisier in general and I think a bit less comfortable too. The only thing was that on top of the £100 a tyre I paid, I also had to get the nice folks at the dealers to fit a spare wheel kit afterwards at the cost of £200 as well. That was nice.
And as tw focks mentioned, why is it that the M cars never come with run-flats?
So you are saying there should never be any need for an emergency stop whilst cornering, only whilst on a straight bit of road?
No, but a full-bore emergency stop of the kind we are talking about is extremely unlikely on a blind bend. Put your rolleyes away.
Well had them fitted and my first impression that they are much better than the worn our runflats that I had previously!
There is a noticible difference to the feal of the car, much less tramlining than with the previous tires, the ride is now a little more compromising and less nervous on uneven roads and less hard than before. Obviously with completely green tyres I'm not going to start launching it around for a few miles but early indications are very good.
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There is a noticible difference to the feal of the car, much less tramlining than with the previous tires, the ride is now a little more compromising and less nervous on uneven roads and less hard than before. Obviously with completely green tyres I'm not going to start launching it around for a few miles but early indications are very good.
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Really just too early to say, if the car is still as grippy when pushed hard and good in the wet then this tyres are pretty damn good for just over £400 What I can say now with probably < 100 miles of motoring is that these tyres feel much better already for just "normal" driving, if the same can be said when "pushed on" then I'm a happy Rat 
It's worthwhile if your tyres are due a change anyway but I wouldn't dump a set of brand new runflats for them - unless you rag the living ess hetch eye tea out of them to get rid of them quickly
Run flats currently are not as nice to drive on as a good set of proper tyres, tyres that suck up nails and go bang! I have driven a few cars with them on, though I have not owned a set, nor will I by choice at this time, and I have found they impact on damping and are more jittery, though BMW tune the 3 series better to them than the 5 series I have read or heard somewhere. I would imagine a Z4 will work better with a nice set of PS/2's or similar than some run flats, which have been around for 40 years or so, if anyone remembers the Dunlop Denovos they used on the Mini 1275GT 
Having spent more time with these tyres I have to say I'm pretty happy with them, obviously I think the RF's are just pretty horrible so it's hard to say how "great" the Falkens are!
That said driving down poor quality A/B roads is a completely difference experience, no pulling or tramlining any more, the ride feels more assured and confident. I'm still experimenting with grip levels as the roads around here are a greasey as **** at the moment.
Anybody on RF's honestly get off them ASAP
That said driving down poor quality A/B roads is a completely difference experience, no pulling or tramlining any more, the ride feels more assured and confident. I'm still experimenting with grip levels as the roads around here are a greasey as **** at the moment.
Anybody on RF's honestly get off them ASAP