Today's mass shooting in the US

Tefal · 13 Jun 2022 at 22:18

Longbow said:
Very broad. Those shooting up schools are mentally ill.

But they're not.

They don't have an illness, they're sane people deciding they want to kill others.

Tefal · 13 Jun 2022 at 22:21

StriderX said:
If there aren't laws that make the original owner of a firearm liable for any crimes committed with it due to the owner's negligence then there really ought to be.

Involuntary manslaughter sounds about right.

It's impossible really to do this inthe usa.

Easy in the uk as guns must be stored secure, they can't be used for defence so this isn't an issue. But Americans can legitimately own and use thier gun for defence, so it needs to be easily accessible.

Blaming then for using it that way would most Likley be argued as impinging the 2nd amendment right

Longbow · 13 Jun 2022 at 22:30

Sankari said:
The facts do not support this conclusion.

What facts?

Tefal said:
But they're not.

They don't have an illness, they're sane people deciding they want to kill others.

There is a difference between mental illness and insanity.

Sankari · 13 Jun 2022 at 22:42

Longbow said:
What facts?

The consistent data showing that mental illness is not a significant factor in homicides. I've already posted some, remember? Here's some more:

Although many Americans believe that people with mental disorders pose a danger to themselves or others, the science reveals a more nuanced picture.

Suicide risk is indeed elevated among people with certain mental illnesses (e.g., schizophrenia, depression, borderline personality disorder, bipolar disorder, and anxiety disorders), but suicide among those with such diagnoses is still rare.

Similarly, homicide risk is elevated among people with certain mental conditions (e.g., schizophrenia) and people with co-occurring mental health and substance use disorders, but these individuals still account for a minority of homicides and acts of mass violence in the United States.

On the other hand, people with mental health conditions appear to be at increased risk for being victims of interpersonal violence.

(Source).

Where is the evidence supporting your position?

Longbow · 13 Jun 2022 at 22:51

Sankari said:
The consistent data showing that mental illness is not a significant factor in homicides. I've already posted some, remember? Here's some more:

(Source).

Where is the evidence supporting your position?

Again, very broad. I didn't say homocides, I didn't say mass murder, I said school shootings. Many shootings, including mass shootings are linked to general crime, it's very different to just trying to kill kids.

Sankari · 13 Jun 2022 at 23:03

Longbow said:
Again, very broad. I didn't say homocides, I didn't say mass murder, I said school shootings. Many shootings, including mass shootings are linked to general crime, it's very different to just trying to kill kids.

Again, there is no evidence that mental illness is a significant factor in school shootings. All you're doing is making assertions, I haven't seen a scrap of evidence-based support for your claims.

VincentHanna · 13 Jun 2022 at 23:09

omnomnom said:
Which would make someone mentally ill?

What I'm saying is, better mental health provisions are a good idea, but they aren't going to catch everything.

Longbow · 13 Jun 2022 at 23:11

Sankari said:
Again, there is no evidence that mental illness is a significant factor in school shootings. All you're doing is making assertions, I haven't seen a scrap of evidence-based support for your claims.

I have the same evidence you have... none.

Screeeech · 14 Jun 2022 at 08:49

Longbow said:
I have the same evidence you have... none.

Where is the evidence that shows how all the school shootings are caused by people who are mentally ill?

You keep making the same claim, but without any evidence it's meaningless.

jsmoke · 23 Jun 2022 at 17:10

Supreme court allows guns to be carried in public.

US Supreme Court backs right to carry guns in public

The ruling comes after dozens were killed in two large mass shootings - and as efforts continue to find common political ground to tighten America's gun laws. President Biden calls the decision "deeply disappointing" but the NRA heralds it as a "monumental win".

news.sky.com

Uther · 23 Jun 2022 at 17:19

They'll never change, no matter how many innocents are murdered. What a ****** up society.

kinetic747 · 23 Jun 2022 at 17:21

Uther said:
They'll never change, no matter how many innocents are murdered. What a ****** up society.

They seem to revel in doing the exact opposite of what's required.

Uther · 23 Jun 2022 at 17:28

kinetic747 said:
They seem to revel in doing the exact opposite of what's required.

I always thought an 'amendment' could be, you know, amended...

chroniclard · 23 Jun 2022 at 17:29

Uther said:
I always thought an 'amendment' could be, you know, amended...

Amending an amendment would be a violation of their amendment rights bro! Communist!

Stu999 · 23 Jun 2022 at 17:50

Uther said:
I always thought an 'amendment' could be, you know, amended...

It can but the way the Constitution is written it needs super majorities, which are unlikely to ever happen.

I enjoyed Senile Joe’s comment: “He said it contradicted "both common sense and the constitution, and should deeply trouble us all".”. Contradicts common sense? Arguable. The Constitution? Absolutely not.

bingham67 · 23 Jun 2022 at 18:19

Exactly why things will never change it just another day feel sorry for people who have to bring up there children in that mess!

Sankari · 24 Jun 2022 at 06:11

They passed it.

'Senate passes bipartisan gun safety bill.'

The Senate on Thursday passed a bipartisan gun safety bill that could become the most significant federal gun legislation in decades if signed into law.

Driving the news: The Senate approved the measure in a 65-33 vote, with 15 Republicans joining Democrats to vote in favor.

The House has signaled that it will take up the legislation swiftly and send it to President Biden's desk.

The big picture: The bill, called the "Bipartisan Safer Communities Act," includes enhanced background checks and clarification on the "boyfriend loophole," which prevents domestic abusers from purchasing guns, unmarried or not, Axios' Alayna Treene and Jacob Knutson report.

It also includes increased funding for mental health and school safety and incentives for states to implement "red flag" laws.

A bipartisan group of senators drafted the legislation in response to multiple mass shootings last month, including one at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas that killed 19 children and two teachers and another that killed 10 at a supermarket in Buffalo, New York.

The bill was hung up last week as the "core four" senators involved in drafting the bill struggled to strike a compromise over the red flag provision and the "boyfriend loophole."

State of play: Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who voted to pass the bill, was crucial in shoring up Republican support to break the 60-vote filibuster.

This legislation alone has saved Biden from being a lame duck president. Though the rest of his term will to flounder in Senate deadlocks and a sluggish economy that will likely fall into recession, he has at least distinguished himself with a historic achievement.

Breitbart is taking it well. Let's see how the good folks at patriots.win are...

Oh.

BowdonUK · 27 Jun 2022 at 13:08

Why is it all the anti-Trumpers seem to have all the links to the Trump supporters websites?

On a serious note I think this is a step in the right direction. I think they should aim to bring checks up to the levels we have in the UK, including having other people who know the person vouch for them.

chroniclard · 27 Jun 2022 at 13:30

BowdonUK said:
Why is it all the anti-Trumpers seem to have all the links to the Trump supporters websites?

Because some of the frothing is hilarious, as are/were those QAnon groups and their constant conspiracies that never come true yet they still believe, legitimately deranged. :cry:

Trig · 27 Jun 2022 at 13:59

Oh America, whiel most of them are happy to quote the second amendment, how many of them actually understand its meaning and implication or are just happy to own guns and damned is anyone who tries to remove them...