Today's mass shooting in the US

Just the normal in America if you dont start banning guns completely or Americans stop being selfish over gun ownership for the greater good nothing ever going to get better.

You can talk about all the illegal guns and all that rubbish but people life being wasted everyday from gun violence in USA not just mass shooting all the domestic shooting it all adds up, crazy people with easy access to guns.

You can now watch the Police bodycams from the shooting nobody should be having to deal with this situation it is utter madness.
 
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Screeeech said:
What hope do you have, of solving a problem if you don't understand what the core reasons are behind something?
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I mean that I personally don't understand the reasons but certain people in the US 100% do. I would be fairly confident that there is a huge overlap of those reasons the world over. The difference is the lack of easily accessible guns though.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081 120 guns per 100 people. Canada who you reference has basically a quarter of the US's gun ownership.

Screeeech said:
I agree that if you take the guns away 100% then it would obviously help, because yes - killing people with an AR15 is much easier than building a bomb, or going on a stabbing spree. The problem is that such suggestions are not grounded in reality.

There's no way, in a million years you'll be able to ban all of the guns in the US, it just cannot be done, it's a pointless suggestion.
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It could be done. Not overnight but it could be done. As it is, they have largely done nothing for years. They have let the powerful gun lobby lead the debate and push the narrative that more guns not less are the solution.

Screeeech said:
And as I said earlier, wouldn't it be better to understand why people feel this way in the US - as in understanding the reasons why somebody wants to go and shoot children at school to air their grievances.

Because this is not really a long standing thing, it started to get bad around the 1990s, then from the 2000s onwards - it's just gotten out of control and it's an almost entirely American problem - nobody else has this problem, literally.

What has changed in the US over the past 30 years, which has led to this problem getting worse and worse, because something is causing it..
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Its not just people shooting up schools, its a general increase. I think a massive part of it is the gun culture. Its the idea Americans love of me vs the world. I'm a cowboy. A lone gunslinger. If someone tries to take my stuff I will go all Rambo on them. It makes these pathetic little men feel powerful in a world that is changing around them and they don't get that feeling of power anywhere else. Its the easy resolution of conflict with a gun. Its laws that absolve people of responsibility when they kill someone with a gun under the most benign of circumstances.

We have **** like this happening and the guy walks away scott free. Astonishing.

 
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This is the Christmas Card sent by Nashville Rep. Andy Ogles who has been thoughts and prayers-ing about this latest shooting
 
Mr Jack said:
Why not? Other countries have successfully removed guns from the population. This strikes me as simple defeatism. Even modest steps like taking assault rifles out of civilian hands would help a lot.
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The USA did that about 50 years ago. The only assault rifles in civilian hands in the USA are very old now, manufactured before the change in the law and now so expensive that they're unavailable to most people in the USA even when one is put on sale. Which was in 1973 if I recall correctly off the top of my head...no, I was a bit mistaken. It was 1986. But that's still 37 years ago. Mass shootings in the USA have become much more common since then. Maybe it did "help a lot" and the increase would have been even greater without the law "taking assault rifles out of civilian hands" in 1986.
 
Caracus2k said:
Just to add some more context to the whole 'scary AR-15' let's ban them argument.

I think a lot of people misunderstand rifles and their efficacy in a 'mass shooting' scenario.

In a lot of cases a mass shooter would be more lethal using a pistol vs a rifle.

You can carry far more pistol ammo than you can rifle ammunition. Extended capacity pistol mags can carry as many rounds, if not more vs rifle magazines.

And you don't need the increased over penetration characteristics of rifles if you goal is to shoot a large number of unarmed and unarmoured civilians.

Also handguns are far easier to conceal, lighter and easier to handle with/ swap to another firearm vs swapping from using a rifle to another firearm.

A rifle only really becomes more relevant if you end up in a shootout with the cops wearing some body armour and armed with their own firearms
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That's a really well though out and detailed response - and utterly irrelevant because mass shooters are almost all using assault rifle style weapons to carry out their killings rather than handguns.
 
You know what this is the US's internal domestic business, they want to have the right to shoot each others faces off then that's something for them to deal with.

I'm not sure any amount of external commentary or international pressure will change that, only internal pressures will.
 
ebilcake said:
I think this is because the BBC of all places just posted this... "Over 85% of US mass shootings involve an 'assault weapon'"

A quick Google search shows this to be incorrect, literally the first link. :/
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Yes, would this be the same BBC that reported not too long back that a shooter had used an 'Assault Rifle 15'?
 
adidan said:
You know what this is the US's internal domestic business, they want to have the right to shoot each others faces off then that's something for them to deal with.

I'm not sure any amount of external commentary or international pressure will change that, only internal pressures will.
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It's in their Constitution, you may as well tell a Muslim to burn the Quran before you'll take guns away from a lot of Americans. People on here just don't get it.
 
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