Today's mass shooting in the US

adolf hamster said:
of course it is, a maniac with a knife is going to be much easier to stop than a maniac with an ar15 and a bunch of mags. that's not a debate-worthy outcome even by internet standards.

there are mental health problems in the uk- the suicide rates attest to that, but we don't get bi-weekly shootings as a result.
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I didn't say a knife is easier to stop than a bullet. I'm saying that person is still there whether it's a knife or bullet.

Yes there are mental health issues in the uk, and suicide rates are significant, but bad mental health doesn't automatically mean they want to kill children.
 
Roar87 said:
You gave up debating because you couldn't actually think of any counter argument so you just ignored my post completely and then asked if I wanted to see dead children, like some pathetic appeal to emotion that you'd expect on mums net or some ****
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I wasn’t the one brought up post counts and Facebook, I’m still talking about gun control here, you went on about ladbible...

Your counter argument are not argument, they made no sense, when you make sense then I’ll reply to it. Like your idea bribing doctors to get an opponent locked up is absurd!
 
Raymond Lin said:
I wasn’t the one brought up post counts and Facebook, I’m still talking about gun control here, you went on about ladbible...

Your counter argument are not argument, they made no sense, when you make sense then I’ll reply to it. Like your idea bribing doctors is absurd!
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You're essentially trolling at this point, it's ok I would too if my arguments had basically been completely shut down. Keep mentioning dead children though it's worked so far.
 
Raymond Lin said:
So your argument is given up before even trying. Our childen’s Lives are not even worth having a go.

That’s what you are saying.
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That's not what I've said at all. I'm actually trying to identify the causes of these massacres, such as the actual trains of thought. Most people just get irrational and start putting words in people's mouths. I'm not comparing children's lives to anything for goodness sake. I wan't to stop bloodshed just as much as you seem to!
 
asim18 said:
I didn't say a knife is easier to stop than a bullet. I'm saying that person is still there whether it's a knife or bullet.

Yes there are mental health issues in the uk, and suicide rates are significant, but bad mental health doesn't automatically mean they want to kill children.
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true, not all mental health issues lead people to want to go on murderous rampages, but you must agree that when it comes to murderous rampages the country with the loosest gun laws being the one with the regular successful mass killings is a pretty obvious link.
 
asim18 said:
That's not what I've said at all. I'm actually trying to identify the causes of these massacres, such as the actual trains of thought. Most people just get irrational and start putting words in people's mouths. I'm not comparing children's lives to anything for goodness sake. I wan't to stop bloodshed just as much as you seem to!
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But steps has to be taken, the first place surely see people who shouldn’t have access to them in the first place and we all agree that people who are mentally unstable and criminals should be on the list right?

We all agree that right?

I mean whether it works or not is another debate but the point is that we have to try at least.
 
adolf hamster said:
true, not all mental health issues lead people to want to go on murderous rampages, but you must agree that when it comes to murderous rampages the country with the loosest gun laws being the one with the regular successful mass killings is a pretty obvious link.
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Yes of course, the usage of a gun in a massacre certainly depends on the gun's availability.
 
Roar87 said:
You're essentially trolling at this point, it's ok I would too if my arguments had basically been completely shut down. Keep mentioning dead children though it's worked so far.
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I wasn’t the one brought up post counts and Facebook, I’m still talking about gun control here, you went on about ladbible...

Your counter argument are not argument, they made no sense, when you make sense then I’ll reply to it. Like your idea bribing doctors is absurd!

(I know I cut and paste)
 
Raymond Lin said:
But steps has to be taken, the first place surely see people who shouldn’t have access to them in the first place and we all agree that people who are mentally unstable and criminals should be on the list right?

We all agree that right?

I mean whether it works or not is another debate but the point is that we have to try at least.
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Yes absolutely 100%, examples such as the the example above of the known suicidal person who managed to get hold of a gun are totally valid. He should never have been able to get a gun. And yes people having certain other criminal records etc should also never be able to see a gun.
 
asim18 said:
Yes absolutely 100%, examples such as the the example above of the known suicidal person who managed to get hold of a gun are totally valid. He should never have been able to get a gun. And yes people having certain other criminal records etc should also never be able to see a gun.
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Now we are getting somewhere, leave throwing government and average Americans losing their beloved rocket launchers at home for a minute and talk about those whose might use guns that does the most harm, either to themselves or others. We have to try, at least try.

By blanket thrusting it under the 2nd amendment as a defence is cowardly and embarrassing as a human being.
 
Roar87 said:
You're essentially trolling at this point, it's ok I would too if my arguments had basically been completely shut down. Keep mentioning dead children though it's worked so far.
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Your argument is that we shouldn't restrict guns because a doctor could be bribed into declaring someone unfit to purchase them?

Roar87 said:
It's a very simple point that someone could get into government and start classifying their Political opponents as being mentally ill, they then use law enforcement to take their guns away and begin to start oppressing civilians who are left defenseless. That's why your oh so simple gun control laws will never be implemented in America.
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By that logic we shouldn't have laws, because they could just bribe the police, jurors and judges and have people arrested. Can't defend themselves if they're in jail.

The second amendment even specifies that it should be a "well regulated militia", even if it were relevant any more (which it isn't).
 
Raikiri said:
Your argument is that we shouldn't restrict guns because a doctor could be bribed into declaring someone unfit to purchase them?

By that logic we shouldn't have laws, because they could just bribe the police, jurors and judges and have people arrested. Can't defend themselves if they're in jail.

The second amendment even specifies that it should be a "well regulated militia", even if it were relevant any more (which it isn't).
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Yes the entire constitution takes into account how open it would be to abuse by someone in power, that's why the President can't just enact laws on his own, that's why they have the college electoral vote system, it's why have they congress and the senate. Their entire Political system is built around being hard for 1 person or party to abuse. Guns are one of the checks in the system, so they will not let anything undermine that crucial check as it could be abused, even if that sounds ridiculous.
 
Raikiri said:
Uh huh, ok. Arizona, the state next door requires no permit, no registration, no license and no background checks with no restrictions past the federal level on what you can purchase.

But I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Edit: Oh and by the way, of the top 20 US states for deaths involving guns 19 don't have any restrictions on guns and one does on hand guns only, California is not one of these states.
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Then it's up to the people living in those states to vote some one in to change the gun laws.
As said, even states with tight guns laws. People are being killed.
 
You have to laugh at those on the left, they've spent the past 18mths hysterically calling Trump the next Hitler, a dangerous fascist and a Russian stooge and now they're campaigning to disarm themselves.

Have they not been following Venezuela this past few years where guns were banned in 2012, their economy tanked and anti-government protesters are now being gunned down in the street?
 
I can't find the article now as it's buried deeper than an Alabama tick in my Facebook feed, but it proposed a rather ingenious way of trying to tackle the problem: get all Muslims who are US citizens to join the NRA. Imagine the shockwaves that would send to the pro-gun lobbyists (and those who won't even debate the issue because of the potential ramifications) if the majority membership of their beloved NRA was Muslims....
 
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