Soldato
He's still a fool for walking into the path of race cars on the track. He should have just left via the back fence and took it up with the guy after the race.
Tony Stewart HITS and kills Sprint Car Driver
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He's still a fool for walking into the path of race cars on the track. He should have just left via the back fence and took it up with the guy after the race.
Man of Honour
Whether there was a slither of intent or not, if you walk into an active racetrack like that you deserve what you get. Sheer stupidity.
Cops have his gopro, that could reveal if there was any intent or not. Personally I think it's road rage murder.
Soldato
Would your attitude be any different if it was a marshall? The track was under full course caution and Stewart was passing the scene of the cause of that caution. There's no excuse for hitting anything under those circumstances.
Man of Honour
That's hardly the same. A marshal is authorized to go on track. If you're racing you're supposed to stay in the car or gtfo of the firing line, not walk into it..
I wouldn't go that far at all. Yellow flags aren't well enforced in any series including f1. You can't just bring cars to a stop in a foot.
;ardhalls still need permission to cross that track, they aren't allied to decide themself if it's safe.
Especially with such a short track with constant cars, at least on f1 tracks are large usually with at least one to redo decent gaps between cars. If it's right the police have gopro, that should give them all the info they need.
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Not to mention marshalls wear high vis. They're not allowed on track unless authorised. Which usually isn't until everything and everyone has acknowledged the flag. They have to stick to the side of the track they're marshalling unless it's an absolute requirement that the already available marshalls can't deal with on their own... Otherwise you end up with the Tom Pryce incident of the 70s. Which is what brought about the whole, don't cross the track rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorsport_marshal
Man of Honour
I shoulda phrased better, I meant a marshal has authorization if they're on the track 
I doubt this guy got permission to go rage at Stewart.
I doubt this guy got permission to go rage at Stewart.
Caporegime
I have no idea about these sort of sports but saw the video on ******** earlier.
Absolute madness to come back in to the course after a crash, absolutely mad.
Absolute madness to come back in to the course after a crash, absolutely mad.
Based on what?
Reports he accelerated just before impact, he has previous.
maybe he read the same news story i read (quoted in post #18)
Graves statement contradicts the video evidence. He states Ward was hit by the right rear wheel and the car was going sideways ("set"). The car is going straight when it hits Ward, and Ward gets wrapped around the front right wheel, which is what causes the machine to step out. Watch the video again in fullscreen at 0.25 speed.
Soldato
From the video I've seen there's an engine rev'd hard (for about 1 second) just before the impact which ties in with the statement above from Tyler Graves.
I'm sure Stewart didn't mean to hit him deliberately and that it was an accident, maybe he thought he'd get close and give him a scare, but from the limited info in the video it does look like he drove very close to Ward when no other drivers did, they're all at the bottom of the track, and then hit the throttle exactly like Tyler Graves said.
Of course if Ward wasn't a pillock it wouldn't have happened but it's a hell of a price to pay for a moment of anger induced finger waving.
I'm sure Stewart didn't mean to hit him deliberately and that it was an accident, maybe he thought he'd get close and give him a scare, but from the limited info in the video it does look like he drove very close to Ward when no other drivers did, they're all at the bottom of the track, and then hit the throttle exactly like Tyler Graves said.
Of course if Ward wasn't a pillock it wouldn't have happened but it's a hell of a price to pay for a moment of anger induced finger waving.
Soldato
That's the cars on the near side of the track you can hear. They'll drown out everything that isn't in close proximity.
I think this as well. But why didn't go to his left to avoid the other driver?
RIP
His view was probably blocked. They're doing high speeds. Ward is nearly taken out by the #45 and for an instant he's probably out of Stewart's field of view. Stewart's driving along, suddenly there's someone in the track that shouldn't be there. He has how long to brake and avoid impact? No time. Those courses are dirt tracks. Those cars aren't running F1 type brakes. And not even an F1 car could avoid that impact. From the moment Ward disappears behind #45, to the moment he's struck by Stewart is 2 seconds. 34 - 36 seconds on the video. I don't care how good a driver someone thinks they are, avoiding that, on that type of track, at those speeds, no chance.
Soldato
Exactly. Some people make snap judgements and then waste every ones time trying to defend them. You can't rationally make that call just from that crappy YT video. In fact, the video implies tragic accident rather than murder.
Sadly this is the way of things, everyone's an expert.