Top Gsync / FreeSync choices?

hornetstinger · 11 Aug 2017 at 19:29

opethdisciple said:
So a

Dell S2716DG (27", 144hz, 2560x1440) & a 1080

vs

Acer Predator XB281HK (28", 60hz, 4k) & a 1080ti

What you reckon?

I kind of set my heart on the Dell and 1080 as I started off just wanted a high refresh rate monitor.

The price difference between the two all in all is about £200.

I think that 4k gaming even with a 1080ti isn't here yet. I.e You wont be playing the next gen titles over the next 2 years at 4k with a 1080ti for very long.

Then again having 4k display already means when the next ti (maybe the one after that) does come out you already have a 4k panel.

For games I'd rather have the 144hz 2560x1440 screen
4K for 4K movies, and for huge screen desktop, like 40" or so.

melmac · 11 Aug 2017 at 20:14

opethdisciple said:
Gaming.

And yes. My monitor is terrible. Very bad tearing and I have to cap my frames to 60 in BF1 to stop the terrible stutter I get.

It got worse since I upgraded form my 3570k to a 1700 Ryzen. The Ryzen is just pumping too many fps and the monitor simply cant keep up.

Almost unplayable. Or at least not enjoyable. (BF1)

Yeah, I bet, I had the same monitor, couldn't live with it. It was fine for work stuff but for gaming, It was terrible!! I got so fed up with that I moved my Samsung TV from the Living room into my computer room and used that for gaming and it was way better. I think any decent monitor will be a giant upgrade for you

opethdisciple · 13 Aug 2017 at 15:35

Rroff said:
G-Sync wise only one choice really unless you absolutely can't stand TN the Dell S2716DG anything else is inferior.

(It also has a whole 1.5ms! average lower latency button to pixel delay than the nearest freesync equivalent)

One last check before I pull the trigger on this monitor tonight. It gets the @Rroff seal of approval?

The display connectivity on the Dell is fully featured and uptodate? I'm not going to be stung by the fact it doesn't support the latest types of display connectivity or anything like that?

Rroff · 13 Aug 2017 at 16:26

Its the best you are going to get in terms of G-Sync, TN, 2560x1440 @ 144Hz. The HDMI input isn't 2.0 but you'd have to use the displayport connection for G-Sync anyhow.

Make sure you read the thread on it here - lots of advice for getting the best picture quality possible from it.

opethdisciple · 13 Aug 2017 at 16:53

Rroff said:
Its the best you are going to get in terms of G-Sync, TN, 2560x1440 @ 144Hz. The HDMI input isn't 2.0 but you'd have to use the displayport connection for G-Sync anyhow.

Make sure you read the thread on it here - lots of advice for getting the best picture quality possible from it.

The Dell has the full Gysnc range? Is that 30-144hz?

What would be your choice for IPS panel? I'm not a twitch gamer or anything like that but do play casual fps games, but just thought 1ms of the TN was nice.

Rroff · 13 Aug 2017 at 17:01

TBH the only semi decent choice in G-Sync IPS is the Asus PG348Q and after the half-arsed quality control on the PG278Q and 279Q I'm reluctant to recommend them. Unfortunately the other variants of the panel either have horrific input latency/pixel response or very hit and miss quality control.

EDIT: Evian just reminded me in another thread there is also the ViewSonic XG2703-GS I don't have any experience of that panel myself though.

opethdisciple · 13 Aug 2017 at 18:05

Rroff said:
TBH the only semi decent choice in G-Sync IPS is the Asus PG348Q and after the half-arsed quality control on the PG278Q and 279Q I'm reluctant to recommend them. Unfortunately the other variants of the panel either have horrific input latency/pixel response or very hit and miss quality control.

EDIT: Evian just reminded me in another thread there is also the ViewSonic XG2703-GS I don't have any experience of that panel myself though.

Thanks mate. The Viewsonic looks very expensive. The thing that is attractive bout the Dell is there are some nice prices on it around.

So I think I'm just going to purchase it.

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What was the issue you had with the PG279Q?

opethdisciple · 14 Aug 2017 at 12:43

Right so I've just noticed that the Dell S2716DG is currently the same price as the Acer Predator XB271HU.

The Dell is a TN with 1ms response the Acer an IPS with 4ms response.

What you think I should get?

jigger · 14 Aug 2017 at 13:05

Neither if you want the best 2560x1440 screen.

opethdisciple · 14 Aug 2017 at 13:41

jigger said:
Neither if you want the best 2560x1440 screen.

I don't want to spend silly money. But what in your view is the best?

a66as · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:25

If your buying a 1080 then buy a second hand one from the members market or online, you will end up saving a fair amount from it and you can put the rest into a good monitor (which won't depreciate in value near as much)

Rroff · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:30

opethdisciple said:
Right so I've just noticed that the Dell S2716DG is currently the same price as the Acer Predator XB271HU.

The Dell is a TN with 1ms response the Acer an IPS with 4ms response.

What you think I should get?

Problem with Acer in my experience - get a good screen you are golden but a good chance of QC issues/having to RMA it. Though reading online apparently the launch issues with that monitor "should" be sorted in the ones on sale now.

opethdisciple · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:37

Rroff said:
Problem with Acer in my experience - get a good screen you are golden but a good chance of QC issues/having to RMA it. Though reading online apparently the launch issues with that monitor "should" be sorted in the ones on sale now.

Is IPS worth the 4ms response vs the 1ms response of the TN?

hornetstinger · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:42

opethdisciple said:
Is IPS worth the 4ms response vs the 1ms response of the TN?

4ms GTG is a fast panel. If it was 15ms GTG then I'd be concerned. But IPS has other negatives. For example backlight bleed, from another post a bit ago I wouldn't want a IPS for £100- if they're all like that.

opethdisciple · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:44

hornetstinger said:
4ms GTG is a fast panel. If it was 15ms GTG then I'd be concerned. But IPS has other negatives. For example backlight bleed, from another post a bit ago I wouldn't want a IPS for £100- if they're all like that.

I thought IPS was meant to be better than TN due better colours?

I think I'm probably over thinking this. The Dell s2716dg I'll probablly be over the moon with I imagine.

Rroff · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:48

opethdisciple said:
Is IPS worth the 4ms response vs the 1ms response of the TN?

Depends how seriously you take your gaming - if you mostly play like MMOs and value decent image quality or split a lot of time between the sort of desktop tasks where image quality is nice to have and casual gaming then the IPS might have a lot going for it - if you like to play fast paced games and take it seriously then there is no compromise over a fast TN.

To quote another person:

Backlight bleed is an inherent flaw with backlit LCD technologies. The specific panel type doesn't matter. All LCDs have backlight bleed to some degree. Since it has to do with light leaking around the edges of the panel, not the light passing through the panel, TN or IPS is irrelevant.

There are some other factors in BLB as well but again they aren't specifically tied to a particularly monitor technology type to any significant degree.

IPS glow is another matter and can make add an additional level of chance to getting a panel with minimal glow/bleed but there is no special difference between TN and IPS for backlight bleed.

hornetstinger · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:49

opethdisciple said:
I thought IPS was meant to be better than TN due better colours?

IPS has beter colours (wider gamut) better viewing angles.
IPS suffer from bad backlight bleed. And they are slower than TN.
TN is faster, and have good even backlight.
But typically they are poor in colours,
and have poor viewing angles.

4ms IPS is faster than my TN. It's quite a old TN, but it has 7.5ms input lag (lowest of the lot)
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/samsung_245b.htm
I'm using a 24" TN

Have a look on this thread, the god awful LG backlight.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/1440p-gsync-without-blacklight-bleed.18789322/page-2

Rroff · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:54

hornetstinger said:
4ms IPS is faster than my TN

End of the day the G2G, etc. times are only "representative" as I've mentioned before my Dell U2913WM for instance despite fairly poor numbers on paper in actuality can compete with and often beat much better on paper rated panels for motion clarity. Comparing a 4ms IPS and 5ms TN you may find the TN is significantly better when it comes to motion clarity or you might not and being an average some panels can have transitions that are much more noticeably bad even when it has excellent averages making it worse than a panel with slightly less ideal numbers on paper but without the more glaringly obvious transition issues and so on.

opethdisciple · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:56

i cant go wrong with the Dell right?

hornetstinger · 14 Aug 2017 at 20:57

Rroff said:
End of the day the G2G, etc. times are only "representative" as I've mentioned before my Dell U2913WM for instance despite fairly poor numbers on paper in actuality can compete with and often beat much better on paper rated panels for motion clarity. Comparing a 4ms IPS and 5ms TN you may find the TN is significantly better when it comes to motion clarity or you might not and being an average some panels can have transitions that are much more noticeably bad even when it has excellent averages making it worse than a panel with slightly less ideal numbers on paper but without the more glaringly obvious transition issues and so on.

yeah you've got input lag + screen response = total
and you said one screen may handle motion better, for example some VA have ghosting, grey ghosting of certain parts. Which is probably more annoying than a overall slower screen. I do remember seeing ghosting on a TV. Can't remember if it was LCD or plasma, but it did look like VA effect like grey ghosting.