Torque Vs Handling

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Seeing this video which fetaures a NSX racing a Skyline shows that torque is not everyhting. Even thought the skyline has maahoosive amounts of torque compared to the NSX it makes poo all difference over the course of a lap.

Despite (as said by many) the crappy VTEC system the NSX is able to stick with the Skyline only losing out in the straights. :D

NSX Vs Skyline

Awaits all the usual folk to say oh buy the skyline driver can't drive or he is cruising. :rolleyes:

The point of this thread is to say IMHO VTEC is not as bad as folk say it is.

Apologies if this video is a repost.
 
IPBA said:
The point of this thread is to say IMHO VTEC is not as bad as folk say it is.

Apologies if this video is a repost.
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VTEC works on the track no doubt about it, however on the roads I am not so sure. :)
 
I'm not sure folks do actually claim Vtec is "bad" per se. I think its its more a matter of personal taste, some people like a revvy engine, others go for low down power delivery that doesnt need to be worked at quite as much.

Personally I love my Vtec Prelude. :p :p

oh, nice find. I'm amazed to see the NSX is that much better through the twists.
 
So we just watched a video of two modded cars, and we know the NSX had ITBs, we know nothing about the two cars suspension setup, or their power etc. So a bit pointless was it not? Anyways, we all know the NSX is a very capable car around a track.
 
As above, I don't think any sensible person ever claimed that torque was the be-all end-all of a performance car :)
 
I'm not really sure I understand your point. You've picked an example where a lack of low down torque is of minimal importance, a track. I suspect you'll find that everyone who comments on the downside of the VTEC system is referring to the useability of the car out on the road, where its not always practical to be revving over 5000rpm.

In addition, everywhere that the NSX is quicker than the Skyline in that video is under breaking and in the corners, where the power delivery of the vehicles makes minimal difference, which defeats the point you were trying to make. Everytime both cars open the throttle the SKyline dissapears off down the road? :confused:
 
NickXX said:
The skyline driver can't drive, or he is cruising.
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Hi there

I find it rather intriguing how you can come to such a conclusion?

Fact is NSX handles better than Skylines do, the NSX is what circa 1200kg wheras a Skyline is more in the 1600kg range I believe.

On roads the Skyline will be better, except for maybe the tightest of corners, but on a racetrack give me the NSX any time. After attending several track days Skylines always do poorly, its only the straights they are half decent.
 
So, to summarise:

One car is a Japanese interpretation of the supercar ideal, sorted by one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time and then further modified.

The other car is a saloon car with a heavy and complex 4WD system, a half-decent (at best) engine and one of the most retarded rear wings I've ever had the misfortune of inflicting upon my eyes.

And the OP is then using this to say "hey guys, look - proof that torque is useless against the mighty powah of VTEC!!!!".

Did I get that right?

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And before I get letters....

The NSX is a great car. That Skyline....isn't. Frankly, I don't honestly care about upsetting the Skyline zealots, but I do have a soft spot for the NSX. Even if it has a VTEC engine :D
 
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No wrong the video in the opening post is to show that a car with loads of torque and crap chassis can easily be matched by VTEC powered car with a lot less torque but a well tuned chassis.

"hey guys, look - proof that torque is useless against the mighty powah of VTEC!!!!"
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Where did I say this - I said if you read the OP properly that VTEC is not as bad as folk make it to be.

The reason I posted was because I see a lot of posts where folk talk of turbo power and tunability and VTEC is gutless and crap technology.

VTEC - Power higher up in the rev range
Turbo - Power Lower down in rev range

VTEC unit just delivers power in a different manor which does not make them crap. Turbo cars are great for effortless driving but i'd much rather have a gutless (as some describe it) VTEC unit + Honda tuned chassis.
 
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IPBA said:
No wrong the video in the opening post is to show that a car with loads of torque and crap chassis can easily be matched by VTEC powered car with a lot less torque but a well tuned chassis.
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Well, who woulda thunk it?

So, you were actually making a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really.......

.....really, really obvious point then that cars with quite a bit of weight and a chassis that wasn't sorted by one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time aren't as quick at getting around corners as supercars?

Wow, let me grab a pen and write that one down! I'll have to remember that!

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Where did I say this - I said if you read the OP properly that VTEC is not as bad as folk make it to be.
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Quite right, I was exaggerating somewhat. I tend to do that, as you might see from my response to the first bit of your quote.

IPBA said:
The reason I posted was because I see a lot of posts where folk talk of turbo power and tunability and VTEC is gutless and crap technology.
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I don't think even I, as anti-VTEC as I am, has ever said that VTEC is a crap technology. I have referred to VTEC cars as gutless when they aren't on-cam...which is actually sort of accurate. That would be the point of VTEC, wouldn't it? Smooth, semi-economic running down low and turning into a wailing banshee once you wind it up quite a way?

IPBA said:
VTEC - Power higher up in the rev range
Turbo - Power Lower down in rev range
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Mmmm....up to a point. Got to take into account that turbos sometimes need quite a bit of winding up as well - yes, Turbo Mustang, I'm looking at you. A small engine with a whacking great turbo gives the following sensations when accelerating - nothing....nothing....nothing....slight increase in acceleration.....gear change required. By which point the V8 guys have made it all the way to the next set of lights, stopped, had a drink, stolen your girlfriend and gotten ready to destroy the next car.

IPBA said:
VTEC unit just delivers power in a different manor which does not make them crap. Turbo cars are great for effortless driving but i'd much rather have a gutless (as some describe it) VTEC unit + Honda tuned chassis.
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No, they aren't crap. They aren't to my taste as I prefer my performance motoring to be accompanied by a V8 soundtrack, but they certainly aren't crap.

That Skyline was crap. And as I say, I don't really mind offending the Playstation generation who seem to think Skylines are the greatest cars in the world ever.
 
JRS said:
That Skyline was crap. And as I say, I don't really mind offending the Playstation generation who seem to think Skylines are the greatest cars in the world ever.
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My thoughts exactly. I often sit here and wonder whether Gran Turismo really was responsible for a lot of this piffle between haters of various marques.

I think it was :p
 
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