Trackday Car .....

Just looked through this thread properly.

Just my take, but you can tell those who either

A) Have never driven on a track in their life, or have just done a few 15 minute sessions

and

B) Have no concept of the costs of running a car on the track.

Jap turbo nutter mobiles are helluh expensive to be consistantly run month after month on the track. You need to have SERIOUSLY large disposable income to even consider it.

FWD cars are great for the first 2-3 days, then you realise it actually requires significantly less skill to get round as fast as a RWD car, and you wish you had bought something which you could really learn to drive fast in.

RWD, N/A, Light, Cheap to modify, buy parts for and run is what you want, and it screams E36 every day of the week
 
RWD, N/A, Light, Cheap to modify, buy parts for and run is what you want, and it screams E36 every day of the week

Or MX5?

Granted it's probably difficult to get a quick one while maintaining the N/Aness but otherwise seems like a good option
 
I didnt say MX5 as they, IMO are 'best suited' to shorter, tighter circuits, the e36 would be, IMO a better all rounder. In the case of a 328 you can get them comfortably over 200 bhp whilst staying N/A, and they are light enough that they can cope with the more technical tighter parts of circuits adequately (Barn complex at Cadwell Park as a good example)
 
Just looked through this thread properly.

Just my take, but you can tell those who either

A) Have never driven on a track in their life, or have just done a few 15 minute sessions

and

B) Have no concept of the costs of running a car on the track.

Jap turbo nutter mobiles are helluh expensive to be consistantly run month after month on the track. You need to have SERIOUSLY large disposable income to even consider it.

FWD cars are great for the first 2-3 days, then you realise it actually requires significantly less skill to get round as fast as a RWD car, and you wish you had bought something which you could really learn to drive fast in.

RWD, N/A, Light, Cheap to modify, buy parts for and run is what you want, and it screams E36 every day of the week

I agreed with you completely, right up until this point:

FWD cars are great for the first 2-3 days, then you realise it actually requires significantly less skill to get round as fast as a RWD car, and you wish you had bought something which you could really learn to drive fast in.

Go tell 90% of Touring Car drivers and a large population of rally boys that what they are doing does not require much skill. I'm sure that'll raise a chuckle.

There are many out there who would argue that it is a lot more difficult driving a high powered (150BHP+) lightweight FWD car simply because you've got to feed both the power and steering effort through the same two wheels. I won't go as far to say driving a FWD car quickly is more difficult compared to something RWD, but I will say that they are totally different platforms with their own advantages and disadvantages.

I will echo that spending £5,000 on a track **** is utter, utter madness. Personally, I wouldn't want to be spending anymore than £2,000, and from that 2 grand I'd want something that was already fit for the track.

This weekend I picked up a stripped out 205 GTi complete with bucket seats, harnesses and reworked suspension and partly rebuilt GTi-6 engine shoehorned in for... £1,400. I think I may have gotten a bit of a bargain, but £2,000 seems like it could pick up a fair sorted 205 GTi. Personally I wouldn't put my money in any other FWD car if I was looking for some track action.

If it must be RWD, I'd vote MX5. Yes, they aren't going to set your hair on fire in a straight line, but if that matters to you then you've missed the point of the 'Five and track driving completely. It is a pure, High revving, great handling, RWD roadster that can be picked up for pennies. For a few more pennies you can sort it to be something that can shame a lot of cars with much higher power figures, and I'm not talking about spending the money on the engine either. Good suspension, good brakes, good tyres and you're good to go.

I've noticed talk of e36s. Although I've never had one around a track, I had a chance to take my father's 323i around some B Roads a while back and was disappointed. It felt numb and slow (I was driving a 85bhp 205 at the time!). I'm not massively convinced that the extra 20 odd bhp of the 328i would make it a completely different car, but personally I am not impressed.
 
http://pistonheads.com/sales/907849.htm

Ring the bloke up as it was on pistonheads last year and unless he's took parts off it also has wilwood 4 pots, bilstein group n shocks, pugsport group n bushes, rebuilt box with quaiffe lsd and loads more in it.

Strip it, add some proper fiberglass buckets and harnesses and you're laughing. My mate has one of a slightly lesser spec and stripped out (220bhp/180lbft + diff + 4 pots) and it easily passes std evo 8's etc round donnington.
 
I can't see that myself. M3 has more power, better handling/suspension from the off, surely it will out do a modified 328i.

Apologies. For clarity I'm saying almost specifically 'with r888's '

the difference between a car with road tyres and r888's is borderline unbelievable. Granted I have a lot of learning to do and I'd still say I'm a novice but on one of the last Bedford days I did there was a guy with a red dc2 itr with r888's and road tyres. When he was on r888's he mist have been cornering 10-15 mph+ more than road tyres. As anyone willtell you that requires huge power advatages to reign back in.
 
Apologies. For clarity I'm saying almost specifically 'with r888's '

the difference between a car with road tyres and r888's is borderline unbelievable. Granted I have a lot of learning to do and I'd still say I'm a novice but on one of the last Bedford days I did there was a guy with a red dc2 itr with r888's and road tyres. When he was on r888's he mist have been cornering 10-15 mph+ more than road tyres. As anyone willtell you that requires huge power advatages to reign back in.

The point is, if you are flush enough to run 888's, then you'll be sticking them on the M3 anyway ;)

888's in E36 M3 size aren't that expensive in all honesty.
 
The point is, if you are flush enough to run 888's, then you'll be sticking them on the M3 anyway ;)

888's in E36 M3 size aren't that expensive in all honesty.

in that case then, e36 m3 with r888's.

I'd be bold and say that driven properly would leave a lot of exotica thinking **** !
 
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