Such as?
Trading the stockmarket (NO Referrals)
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I have wanted to give trading a go for years. Thought I'd read into it and have a go. Tried a Plus 500 demo account with 50k. Well in a week I lost 24k and stopped.
Maybe too big risks due to it been fake money but would scared to risk my own capital after that.
Maybe too big risks due to it been fake money but would scared to risk my own capital after that.
Well, it helps to actually know what you are putting money into, as opposed just put it on things randomly.
Such as?
From the top of my head these stick out the most
Royal dutch shell
b.p
glaxosmithkline
Congrats, but I would say that it is easier to say the profit in terms of percentage as it could be a £15k profit from £500k investment for all we know.
Associate
Plus its never profit until you sell upCongrats, but I would say that it is easier to say the profit in terms of percentage as it could be a £15k profit from £500k investment for all we know.
5%Congrats, but I would say that it is easier to say the profit in terms of percentage as it could be a £15k profit from £500k investment for all we know.
Plus its never profit until you sell up
It's profit as the stocks pay dividends and interest that is held in cash
Associate
Fair enough, you have an impressive portfolio size!
Have to admit I tend to swing towards shares that have a decent divi payout.
Soldato
Looks like the bidding war for Sky is picking up some pace, up around 540p per share over last 12 months
Soldato
A stock can pay a dividend when it shouldnt and when they make a loss even normally the share price just adjusts to the amount paid out. The big oil companies borrow to pay dividends at some times? Woodford is famously against big oil on this issue, I think he states their asset base is declining as not enough new oil is discovered. If the price of oil goes up that effect would be covered up some.
BP or similar large oil really needs to get into somewhere like Venezuela and do some honest productive work in turning that situation around. If somehow that were possible at all, growth and all valuations would be justified long term. BP is involved in Russia which I think needs a lot of expertise to improve but neither of these countries are exactly capitalist so who knows how it will work out.
Gazprom Ive heard described as the cheapest least risky company in the world because of their massive assets but I still couldnt call it profit till it had paid out more then I invested.
Seems currently relevant and confusing and maybe the 4 PE shown for Gazprom is just screaming value
I general I see Euro, EU even Europe generally as having too much contagion risk. No reason why we cant trade just as much with EU after leaving, politics should be second to trade. Sanctions vs Russia while relying on them for energy shows how it always is I think.
UK should develop its shale gas whenever viable in a similar way to be more diverse and capable because if UK relys on energy imports and keeps high debt, rising rates tied to deficits and a weak currency it'll just be an obvious loss in trade and probably politics I guess
Lloyds used to pay a 40p dividend annually. I dont think it counts as profit really. I will go back in the thread and find the guy who worked for Lloyds and figured no matter what the dividend would repay his investment in the summer of 2008, a iii poster.
He might be ok now actually but its taken a while. Lloyds seems reasonable now, one of the worlds most dominant banks in its market almost justifying hbos was this unique position vs regulation
In pensions some trusts pay dividends from capital not profit exactly. In USA there is some interesting royalty only shares that pay out on infrastructure, the amount of gas transported over pipelines. Seems like a winning move because they get the cut whatever the oil price. WMB vs ETE was an interesting situation. PSX I should probably just keep hold of I think
Similar to how Buffets purchase of a rail network was described as good profit vs risk
On weekends I see lots of chart and stats type data put out, might as well post some
https://mailchi.mp/felder/real-thing
http://pricedingold.com/dow-jones-industrials/
PRU like WPP I should have bought as stock with growth potential at least a bit not waiting for it cheaper but right now SLA I think is the better buy
http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adv...ty-sales-review-bill-doubles-to-400m/a1103683
HBOS, dividends, risk management etc: The whole deleveraging dynamic I think really matters to finding easy money vs risk
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31233440
https://dumptext.com/Nf2i5vSH
Read this guy instead of my wall of text
https://twitter.com/mgrahamwood
https://www.malcysblog.com/2018/07/oil-price-columbus-solo-bucket-list-alert-and-finally/
BP or similar large oil really needs to get into somewhere like Venezuela and do some honest productive work in turning that situation around. If somehow that were possible at all, growth and all valuations would be justified long term. BP is involved in Russia which I think needs a lot of expertise to improve but neither of these countries are exactly capitalist so who knows how it will work out.
Gazprom Ive heard described as the cheapest least risky company in the world because of their massive assets but I still couldnt call it profit till it had paid out more then I invested.
Seems currently relevant and confusing and maybe the 4 PE shown for Gazprom is just screaming value
I general I see Euro, EU even Europe generally as having too much contagion risk. No reason why we cant trade just as much with EU after leaving, politics should be second to trade. Sanctions vs Russia while relying on them for energy shows how it always is I think.
UK should develop its shale gas whenever viable in a similar way to be more diverse and capable because if UK relys on energy imports and keeps high debt, rising rates tied to deficits and a weak currency it'll just be an obvious loss in trade and probably politics I guess
Lloyds used to pay a 40p dividend annually. I dont think it counts as profit really. I will go back in the thread and find the guy who worked for Lloyds and figured no matter what the dividend would repay his investment in the summer of 2008, a iii poster.
He might be ok now actually but its taken a while. Lloyds seems reasonable now, one of the worlds most dominant banks in its market almost justifying hbos was this unique position vs regulation
In pensions some trusts pay dividends from capital not profit exactly. In USA there is some interesting royalty only shares that pay out on infrastructure, the amount of gas transported over pipelines. Seems like a winning move because they get the cut whatever the oil price. WMB vs ETE was an interesting situation. PSX I should probably just keep hold of I think
Similar to how Buffets purchase of a rail network was described as good profit vs risk
On weekends I see lots of chart and stats type data put out, might as well post some
https://mailchi.mp/felder/real-thing
http://pricedingold.com/dow-jones-industrials/
PRU like WPP I should have bought as stock with growth potential at least a bit not waiting for it cheaper but right now SLA I think is the better buy
http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adv...ty-sales-review-bill-doubles-to-400m/a1103683
HBOS, dividends, risk management etc: The whole deleveraging dynamic I think really matters to finding easy money vs risk
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31233440
https://dumptext.com/Nf2i5vSH
They been £10 recently and I had to sell some. I'm thinking now to sell all in this year, all the commodities have been the best performance in the last year. Rising prices is bad for an economy is commentary Ive read and explains why they could pull back, every $ oil rises is like a tax increase except not tech perhaps
Read this guy instead of my wall of text
https://twitter.com/mgrahamwood
https://www.malcysblog.com/2018/07/oil-price-columbus-solo-bucket-list-alert-and-finally/
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Soldato
Thought I'd update as there was a fair bit of chat last time and I know a lot of people here look at S&S ISAs etc. Well, so far so good on the funds. It's almost been a year in most of the funds so I was hoping for a little more, maybe 15-20%, but as you can see that is the case for 3 and the total has been averaged out by the lower performing funds. Fortunately I have half the value in Latin American as the others and it was always the riskiest fund; I'll still leave it in there as it could be -20% this year but +40% the next.
I've just invested another blob and spread it into 4 more funds to keep it diversified, namely AXA WF Framlington UK, Stewart Investors Asia Pacific Leaders, Newton Global Income and HL Select UK Growth Shares.
I think the thing I'm most surprised by is the performance of the S&P 500 fund. That was invested in at the end of September so it's pretty good going.
I've just invested another blob and spread it into 4 more funds to keep it diversified, namely AXA WF Framlington UK, Stewart Investors Asia Pacific Leaders, Newton Global Income and HL Select UK Growth Shares.
I think the thing I'm most surprised by is the performance of the S&P 500 fund. That was invested in at the end of September so it's pretty good going.
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Nice one russ! I'll do an update too:
I was doing 70% global equity, 20% bonds, 10% reits. I faffed about with it too much and only came out about 5% up.
I've switched from HL to Vanguard, for lower fees, and to limit the amount of news I see, and the amount of choice I have.
I'm now doing:
and in the context of the overall personal finance flowchart https://i.imgur.com/BfHzwr9.png
I was doing 70% global equity, 20% bonds, 10% reits. I faffed about with it too much and only came out about 5% up.
I've switched from HL to Vanguard, for lower fees, and to limit the amount of news I see, and the amount of choice I have.
I'm now doing:
- UK -- 10%
- Emerging Markets -- 10%
- Developed World Ex. UK -- 80%
and in the context of the overall personal finance flowchart https://i.imgur.com/BfHzwr9.png
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Soldato
What spread betting sites are people currently using/would recommend?
None of them.
Doing good recently. AMD, nVidia, Ubisoft all nice growth. Put a bit into BMW last week as they seem underpriced and I don't want to just be in tech, despite knowing the industry well.
I've still got a fair bit of cash around, as there is definitely scope for a more serious correction in the markets. Unlikely to happen until interest rates start rising back to normal levels though......but even so...
I've still got a fair bit of cash around, as there is definitely scope for a more serious correction in the markets. Unlikely to happen until interest rates start rising back to normal levels though......but even so...
I used finspreads back when I dabbled in it. I don't have the time or discipline to do it properly though.
Generally though, if you don't have enough capital to make direct investment worthwhile, then you can't afford to be spread betting.