TSMC won't manufacture chips for Biren, the China graphics chip designer, due to public information showing its chips outperform Nvidia's A100 chip.

Purgatory · 23 Oct 2022 at 11:47

https://twitter.com/x/status/1584012466203525126

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-work-for-chinese-chip-startup-amid-us-curbs

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. has suspended production of advanced silicon for Chinese startup Biren Technology to ensure compliance with US regulations, according to a person familiar with the matter.
The decision is connected with information in the public domain that Biren’s products outperform Nvidia Corp.’s A100 chips, which are now banned for the Chinese market, the person said, asking not to be identified discussing a sensitive matter. While TSMC has not reached a conclusion on whether Biren’s products meet the US threshold for restrictions, the Taiwanese chipmaker has decided to stop supplies to the Chinese startup for now, the person said.

China Launches The Inevitable Indigenous GPU

It was absolutely inevitable that China would try to create its own GPU compute engines. It was never a given that it would succeed in only three years.

www.nextplatform.com

Chinese semiconductor start-up reveals US export curb loophole - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1584102016522952705

^... I have to agree with him sadly... TSMC maybe sticking a target on their backs.

Chuk_Chuk · 23 Oct 2022 at 11:59

Hold up. It outperforms the a100! The Chinese caught up quicker than I thought they would.

Cooper · 23 Oct 2022 at 12:14

Chuk_Chuk said:
The Chinese hacked Nvidias servers quicker than I thought they would.

Fixed!

gpuerrilla · 23 Oct 2022 at 12:21

Yeah this will escalate badly if people are not careful.

Cooper · 23 Oct 2022 at 12:26

gpuerrilla said:
Yeah this will escalate badly if people are not careful.

China wants indigenous Hi-tech chip production.

USA won't let Taiwan provide it.

China wants Taiwan.

I think we can see where its all going to end up eventually.

humbug · 23 Oct 2022 at 15:08

Purgatory said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1584012466203525126

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-work-for-chinese-chip-startup-amid-us-curbs

China Launches The Inevitable Indigenous GPU

It was absolutely inevitable that China would try to create its own GPU compute engines. It was never a given that it would succeed in only three years.

www.nextplatform.com

Chinese semiconductor start-up reveals US export curb loophole - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1584102016522952705

^... I have to agree with him sadly... TSMC maybe sticking a target on their backs.

Its time for Apple, AMD and Nvidia to partner with TSNC.

That's the only way the US can be sure its a US interests company, in which case they will protect it no matter what happens.

There are rumours AMD are looking for ways back in to the fab business, there you go AMD......

r22snapper · 23 Oct 2022 at 15:48

Good work TSMC, make China build their own stuff.

brostradamus · 23 Oct 2022 at 15:51

yeah whats going to happen in the short term is nvidia getting a truckload of chinese orders for the A100/H100.. theres supposed to be a cool off period for the ban to come into effect. anyone knows more details?

Purgatory · 23 Oct 2022 at 16:24

brostradamus said:
yeah whats going to happen in the short term is nvidia getting a truckload of chinese orders for the A100/H100.. theres supposed to be a cool off period for the ban to come into effect. anyone knows more details?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580889341265469440

Worth a read.

Gerard · 23 Oct 2022 at 16:28

Chuk_Chuk said:
Hold up. It outperforms the a100! The Chinese caught up quicker than I thought they would.

Knowing the chinese it IS the A100 withh a slight overclock and a sticker slapped onto it.

humbug · 23 Oct 2022 at 16:53

Purgatory said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1580889341265469440

Worth a read.

Read it.... its about time we did something about China. Good job on that Biden.

Now bring home all of our manufacturing, the EU, the US and the UK, all of us!

brostradamus · 23 Oct 2022 at 17:10

Purgatory said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1580889341265469440

Worth a read.

looks like a man-made recession

SpellowHouse · 23 Oct 2022 at 17:24

Those of us with half a brain (in other words half more than a politician) have been saying for decades that out-sourcing anything to China is a really bad idea.

I am surprised in the UK that we haven't outsourced all our energy from China. We probably would have done if we could string some pylons over Kazakhstan and Russia.

HACO · 23 Oct 2022 at 17:27

Like every claim that never-seen-before-product outperforms current leading product, I believe it when I see it.

Grim5 · 23 Oct 2022 at 23:48

r22snapper said:
Good work TSMC, make China build their own stuff.

Bravo

willhub · 24 Oct 2022 at 08:45

Can't beat China, joint them.

Besty · 24 Oct 2022 at 09:30

Chuk_Chuk said:
Hold up. It outperforms the a100! The Chinese caught up quicker than I thought they would.

Indeed.

Apparently, the Biren Z200 is hosted on a 'Uitan' class PCB running at 1411 mhz.

The Nvidia A100 is hosted on a 'Titan' class PCB running at 1410 mhz.

Chuk_Chuk · 24 Oct 2022 at 09:31

Besty said:
Indeed.

Apparently, the Biren Z200 is hosted on a 'Uitan' class PCB running at 1411 mhz.

The Nvidia A100 is hosted on a 'Titan' class PCB running at 1410 mhz.

What are these PCB classes you are referring to?

Jay85 · 24 Oct 2022 at 09:41

willhub said:
Can't beat China, joint them.

Roll them into a joint and smoke em?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 24 Oct 2022 at 10:28

Purgatory said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1580889341265469440

Worth a read.

Samsung, Taiwan Semiconductor, get reprieves for U.S. chip restrictions to China: reports

Samsung (SSNLF) and Taiwan Semiconductor have been issued one-year exemptions to new rules enacted by the Biden Administration, letting them continue receiving chip-making equipment...

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Samsung, Taiwan Semiconductor, get reprieves for U.S. chip restrictions to China: reports