TSMC won't manufacture chips for Biren, the China graphics chip designer, due to public information showing its chips outperform Nvidia's A100 chip.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I hope this adds fuel to their already messed up economy. For too long the west has turned a blind eye to horrible, communist, totalitarian states (China and Russia) that just cause misery and hardship to it's neighbors. I just hope Xi Jinping has looked at what's happened to Russia and realises the cost of using his military to achieve his aims isn't worth the price.

Russia isn't communist. They are both very capitalist countries. Also you must be in some fantasy land if you think if China goes down we are not going down with them. We are at over 100% GDP debt, and our stock market and companies are dependent on high margins from making stuff in China. We integrated them far too much into global chains hence why there were shortages of everything during the pandemic. I have been saying for years we exported too much of our essential manufacturing abroad and the same with not using own natural resources. Now we are in scenario where we are too tightly integrated with these countries.

Europe is already economically in a bad place because it was too dependent on oil and gas from Russia and next year is going to lead even bigger problems than this year. This has been made worse during the last 20 years during the we have invaded and sanctioned so many countries, and its lead to significant reductions in global oil and gas supplies. If you think the inflation and problems this year are bad, you haven't seen how next year will look like.

The west is in its current state because our elites dont care two ***** about human rights. They care only about making a quick buck. It's why they invested in china, and not democracies like India. Helped numerous Middle Eastern countries with weapons, ignored Yemen etc. Destroyed Iran's democracy(because of oil profits) and aided and abetted dictatorships for 70 years because it made money.

Our rulers don't even care about the human rights and dignity of the voting public.

 

[humbug]

Russia isn't communist. They are both very capitalist countries. Also you must be in some fantasy land if you think if China goes down we are not going down with them. We are at over 100% GDP debt, and our stock market and companies are dependent on high margins from making stuff in China. We integrated them far too much into global chains hence why there were shortages of everything during the pandemic. I have been saying for years we exported too much of our essential manufacturing abroad and the same with not using own natural resources. Now we are in scenario where we are too tightly integrated with these countries.

Europe is already economically in a bad place because it was too dependent on oil and gas from Russia and next year is going to lead even bigger problems than this year. This has been made worse during the last 20 years during the we have invaded and sanctioned so many countries, and its lead to significant reductions in global oil and gas supplies. If you think the inflation and problems this year are bad, you haven't seen how next year will look like.

The west is in its current state because our elites dont care two ***** about human rights. They care only about making a quick buck. It's why they invested in china, and not democracies like India. Helped numerous Middle Eastern countries with weapons, ignored Yemen etc. Destroyed Iran's democracy(because of oil profits) and aided and abetted dictatorships for 70 years because it made money.

Our rulers don't even care about the human rights and dignity of the voting public.

India are standing with Russia, the eastern part of the globe is building its own rival alliance and India are a part of that.

looking to them to replace China is yet another mistake that the UK government are making, we just can't help ourselves, we keep picking out the worst kind of people and begging them to be our friends because our entire economy is built on low wage cheap labour, often imported, and outsourcing.
We keep deluding ourselves there is no end to this flawed economic model of high corporate profit, high tax, high soft power international spend and low national spend.

We had the answer to the problem of carbon emissions in the 1950's, we chose not to embrace the nuclear age because we thought we could use hydrocarbons as a diplomatic tool to make nations like Russia dependant on the globalist economic model, and with that we assumed we were all going to be friends, no more war, its the same idea behind outsourcing all of our manufacturing to China, its a very rose tinted tree hugging hippy sort of world view, the sort of people who have John Lennon's Imagine on permanent repeat in their heads, what actually happened is we made ourselves dependants of theirs. We handed them a lot of soft power, and hard power, enough to cause us real problems now.

I dislike Trump, i can't use words to describe him here, but even people like that are not always wrong, he was right about China, and he's right about the west having to become a bit more insular.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

India are standing with Russia, the eastern part of the globe is building its own rival alliance and India are a part of that.

looking to them to replace China is yet another mistake that the UK government are making, we just can't help ourselves, we keep picking out the worst kind of people and begging them to be our friends because our entire economy is built on low wage cheap labour, often imported, and outsourcing.
We keep deluding ourselves there is no end to this flawed economic model of high corporate profit, high tax, high soft power international spend and low national spend.

We had the answer to the problem of carbon emissions in the 1950's, we chose not to embrace the nuclear age because we thought we could use hydrocarbons as a diplomatic tool to make nations like Russia dependant on the globalist economic model, and with that we assumed we were all going to be friends, no more war, its the same idea behind outsourcing all of our manufacturing to China, its a very rose tinted tree hugging hippy sort of world view, the sort of people who have John Lennon's Imagine on permanent repeat in their heads, what actually happened is we made ourselves dependants of theirs. We handed them a lot of soft power, and hard power, enough to cause us real problems now.

I dislike Trump, i can't use words to describe him here, but even people like that are not always wrong, he was right about China, and he's right about the west having to become a bit more insular.

India we screwed up. India didn't want to take sides during the Cold War just like Sweden or Finland who were neutral during WW2 and the Cold War(and we didn't like that and expected them to choose).We mostly supported Pakistan in terms of advanced weaponary(the US had an arms embargo on India for decades) and we developed China's economy over them,giving the Chinese military and technical a huge advantage too. Remember,how many times border wars have broke out?

Also, because of the Sino-Soviet split we helped China in terms of certain military technologies(in the late 1970s and 1980s) to weaken the Soviets(they had stationed a lot of troops near China). This had the effect of pushing India closer and closer into the arms of the USSR(and by extension Russia) who supplied them with most of their military technologies. France got in there too(but they also helped Pakistan) because a lot of their military equipment didn't have US parts. It was not helped that Portugal held onto Goa until the 1960s and refused to give it up until India invaded it which we condemned AFAIK.

On top of this we supported Pakistan/China over India,when Bangladesh broke away from Pakistan in 1971:

When Russia Stunned US & UK Naval Forces And Helped India Win The 1971 War

On August 9, 1971, India signed a 'Peace and Friendship' treaty with the Soviet Union to lay the foundations of a glorious victory in the war for the liberation of Bangladesh that took place three months later.

www.indiatimes.com

In 1971, the U.S. Navy Almost Fought the Soviets Over Bangladesh

Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger had a terrible idea

medium.com

A massive naval task force with US and UK carriers were sent to India do deter them from getting involved and possibly fight the Indian military. The Soviet navy interwined on India's side. There was also something which came out later,that we threatened India with nuclear weapons:

Revealed: Pak, US blackmailed India with nukes

The nuclear establishment in New Delhi has revealed that Pakistan twice explicitly threatened to use nuclear devices against India while the American threat was more of implicit nature during the 1971 India-Pakistan war. Shishir Gupta reports.

www.hindustantimes.com

This together with Chinese nuclear weapons,is why India went towards developing nuclear weapons.

Moreover,the destruction of Libya,sanctions on Iran and Venezuela ended up cutting three major suppliers of oil to countries such as India(think it was 20% of global oil supply and a lot of LNG). This meant other suppliers replaced that oil and gas at much higher prices,meaning more inflation and other problems. This is on top of the effects of Partition and other stuff on India.

The world's largest democracy has been treated in a poor way by us. Obama,etc only dropped the arms embargo because they wanted to tempt India into the Quad,because they are the only other country in the world with the manpower to take on China. The Indian political elites still probably do not trust us entirely.

The political classes have no clue about how their actions impact opinion of us in other countries. They literally live in this echo chamber - just look at the contempt they have for the general public in their own countries and how detached from reality they are? They can never admit wrong or negative actions,so double down on the same actions even if it leads to more problems. They care only for their own pockets.

Also,the issue is we also don't teach history or even engineering well enough at schools. People have no clue about manufacturing,supply chains,farming or anything.So they have no clue we have to use oil,gas,mining of XYZ to make things,or to grow food. Even the "Green Revolution" will require lots of raw materials. The political classes just join in to get more votes,because they can pass the buck down the line.

 

[brostradamus]

the politics doesnt really matter.. how is the supply chain going to be impacted, because last i checked the chips still need to be flown from taiwan to mainland china where they stick them on boards and transform them to boxes ready for shipping to the end-consumer..
what if china retaliates and stops exporting rare earth metals to us allies, and what about the big cuts in r&d that will follow as you cut-off market access to china.
i think this is just going to blow up and not least in the way us intends
i dont want this skirmish ending in a full fledged trade war between us and china which could take the entire world economy down with it.. i dont know what those guys in us are even smokin and i dont even want to know

 

[humbug]

India we screwed up. India didn't want to take sides during the Cold War just like Sweden or Finland who were neutral during WW2 and the Cold War(and we didn't like that).We mostly supported Pakistan in terms of advanced weaponary(the US had an arms embargo on India for decades) and we developed China's economy over them,giving the Chinese military and technical a huge advantage too. Remember,how many times border wars have broke out?

Also, because of the Sino-Soviet split we helped China in terms of certain military technologies(in the late 1970s and 1980s) to weaken the Soviets(they had stationed a lot of troops near China). This had the effect of pushing India closer and closer into the arms of the USSR(and by extension Russia) who supplied them with most of their military technologies. France got in there too(but they also helped Pakistan) because a lot of their military equipment didn't have US parts. This was not helped that Portugal held onto Goa until the 1960s and refused to give it up until India invaded it which we condemned AFAIK.

On top of we supported Pakistan/China over India,when Bangladesh broke away from Pakistan:

When Russia Stunned US & UK Naval Forces And Helped India Win The 1971 War

On August 9, 1971, India signed a 'Peace and Friendship' treaty with the Soviet Union to lay the foundations of a glorious victory in the war for the liberation of Bangladesh that took place three months later.

www.indiatimes.com

In 1971, the U.S. Navy Almost Fought the Soviets Over Bangladesh

Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger had a terrible idea

medium.com

A massive naval task force with US and UK carriers were sent to India do deter them from getting involved and possibly fight the Indian military. The Soviet navy interwined on India's side. There was also something which came out later,that we threatened India with nuclear weapons:

Revealed: Pak, US blackmailed India with nukes

The nuclear establishment in New Delhi has revealed that Pakistan twice explicitly threatened to use nuclear devices against India while the American threat was more of implicit nature during the 1971 India-Pakistan war. Shishir Gupta reports.

www.hindustantimes.com

Moreover,the destruction of Libya,sanctions on Iran and Venezuela ended up cutting three major suppliers of oil to countries such as India. This meant other suppliers replaced that oil at much higher prices,meaning more inflation and other problems. This is on top of the effects of Partition and other stuff on India.

The world's largest democracy has been treated in a poor way by us. Obama,etc only dropped the arms embargo because they wanted to tempt India into the Quad,because they are the only other country in the world with the manpower to take on China. So if India isn't fully onboard with us - would you blame them? They obviously don't trust our intentions.

Stuff for me to read, thank you CAT i will later

As for India vs Pakistan, if i was forced to take sides, i would side with Hinduism over the kind of radical Islam that are prevalent in some sections of Pakistan, some of our leaders don't seem to see it that way, even to this day, which to me seems really strange.
It seems to me, we are too often on the wrong side. Or at least through ignorance and stupidity put our foot in the wrong place too often.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

the politics doesnt really matter.. how is the supply chain going to be impacted, because last i checked the chips still need to be flown from taiwan to mainland china where they stick them on boards and transform them to boxes ready for shipping to the end-consumer..
what if china retaliates and stops exporting rare earth metals to us allies, and what about the big cuts in r&d that will follow as you cut-off market access to china.
i think this is just going to blow up and not least in the way us intends
i dont want this skirmish ending in a full fledged trade war between us and china which could take the entire world economy down with it.. i dont know what those guys in us are even smokin and i dont even want to know

The mid-terms are coming so maybe they think this will boost the chance of the current party getting more votes?? But reading into the restrictions,they are far more deeper than anything Trump did:

archive.ph

The aim is to impair Beijing’s ability to deploy artificial intelligence by driving up the cost of computing in China, whether for companies or the government. In short, the Biden administration aims to halt technological progress in China — rather in the way Trisolarans try to stunt Earth’s technological progress in Liu Cixin’s science-fiction novel The Three-Body Problem.
As Edward Luce noted in the Financial Times, “The new restrictions are not confined to the export of high-end US semiconductor chips. They extend to any advanced chips made with US equipment. This incorporates almost every non-Chinese high-end exporter, whether based in Taiwan, South Korea or the Netherlands. The ban also extends to ‘US persons,’ which includes green card holders as well as US citizens.”
The most extraordinary thing about these measures is how little comment they have elicited in the media. Trump did nothing so radical. As Luce put it: “A superpower declared war on a great power and nobody noticed.”

To understand the full significance of this move, you need to read Chris Miller’s brilliant new history of the microprocessor, Chip War: The Fight for the World’s Most Critical Technology. Last week, I interviewed Miller, and asked him if this might be a repeat of the mistake the US made with Japan between 1939 and 1941, when economic sanctions so boxed in the imperial government that in the end there seemed no better option than to gamble on surprise attack.
Miller thought this was the wrong analogy, because US sanctions against China today are more targeted than those against Japan. I am not so sure. Cutting China off from high-end chips today seems a lot like cutting Japan off from oil in 1941. And it is an especially hazardous move when more than 90% of the production of those chips takes place in Taiwan, an island that China claims as its own.

Stuff for me to read, thank you CAT i will later

As for India vs Pakistan, if i was forced to take sides, i would side with Hinduism over the kind of radical Islam that are prevalent in some sections of Pakistan, some of our leaders don't seem to see it that way, even to this day, which to me seems really strange.
It seems to me, we are too often on the wrong side. Or at least through ignorance and stupidity put our foot in the wrong place too often.

The problem is that everything was looked at through a geopolitical lens first and everything else was secondary.

 

[Grim5]

I hope this adds fuel to their already messed up economy. For too long the west has turned a blind eye to horrible, communist, totalitarian states (China and Russia) that just cause misery and hardship to it's neighbors. I just hope Xi Jinping has looked at what's happened to Russia and realises the cost of using his military to achieve his aims isn't worth the price.

Well yesterday the Chinese stock market crashed so there's that

Share prices in some Chinese tech companies have fallen to 20 year lows. That like if Nvidia share price went down to $3 per share it had 20 years ago from its current $132

 

[Purgatory]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588145386425913344