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I doubt he'd be around long enough to get it done in the event of a Brexit.
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I doubt he'd be around long enough to get it done in the event of a Brexit.
"Some opposition to certain aspects of TTIP". Weasel words that don't remotely justify the ******** stance you put in your last post that a brexit would help protect us from TTIP.
David Cameron is currently arguing against the French suggestion of a veto on TTIP. He's also completely dismissed the impact of TTIP on the NHS. He's avowedly for it and the Tories and Lib Dems have both been for it since at least the Coalition and are on records as saying so.
Well it's certainly true that Europe is of a lot more interest to US business than little old UK by itself. It's a vastly larger market and we would no longer be a part of it. But whilst I suppose you can try an argument that we'll fall below the level of the USA's interest if we leave Europe, I'm pretty sure with our own government so keen on it that we'd still sign fairly soonish, whereas with Europe it's looking like we might throw it out wholesale for the foreseeable future.
you're again missing the point completely TTIP is an EU deal, brexit inherently protects us from TTIP as we'd not be in the EU, it would have nothing to do with it regardless of any irrelevant arguments you're trying to make about Cameron
whether we sign a trade deal later down the line is another matter but it seems that in the case of the US that would be much later down the line
pure speculation - at the moment the EU is negotiating TTIP and the US has stated the UK will be back of the queue for any trade talks - those are the actual facts whether you like it or not
Cameron's words, the party's intent. TTIP will be on us much sooner if we leave the EU. it may not be that specific deal/contract or name, but we will have an agreement that shackles us all the same.
To clarify, Obama said that, he won't be President after we leave the EU.
not much to suggest that given the current US view on brexit, what makes you so confident a new UK/US deal would happen so rapidly given that public statements from the current US leadership are completely contrary to that
no but someone who served in his government probably will be (Hillary)
I guess if Trump gets in then things might be different but he's rather insular so I wouldn't bank on it
Ok, Obama was talking absolute rubbish and doing a political favour for Cameron. The idea that the US would just go "sorry we're too busy to put together a trade agreement with the 5th largest economy in the World" is laughable.
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You don't need a 'trade deal' to trade - it's not as if they wouldnt be able to buy anything from us without one, so it's not quite the no brainer you think it is. It just means we'd pay more for their stuff, and they'd paid more for ours.
Plus this.
Of course, it's a long process that takes time, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't be keen to something in place. To use the queue analogy is again a lie, it implies we'd be stood behind loads of other countries for decades, it's just flat out disingenouous.
The US President does not talk rubbish. Just how clueless do you have to be to claim this man's statements in the context of his main job, foreign policy, are laughable?
Brexit is considered bad news not just by Obama and the Democrats but by most of the Republicans too, with notable exceptions such as Trump and Cruz.
http://fortune.com/2016/04/20/treasury-secretaries-brexit/
I said the idea of us having to stand in a queue to negotiate a trade deal is laughable, please don't try and put words in my mouth. It's considered bad news for the US as we have close links with them and give them influence in Europe, I get that, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't want a trade deal in place with us and couldn't negotiate with us at the same time as anyone else.
Oh and of course he talks rubbish, he's talked a lot of rubbish, and I personally like the guy and feel his heart is in the right place a lot of the time.
Haven't read all the thread, so this may have been brought up, but a very long time ago I read a very interesting piece about the EU's stance on GM food basically being a false front for stopping the import of US produce (I.e. being anticompetitive).
I have mixed thoughts about that. GM is good on paper but you just can't trust the US megacorps, they've fluffed it time and time again with GM by making stupid rushed decisions for the sake of $$$$.
I have mixed thoughts about that. GM is good on paper but you just can't trust the US megacorps, they've fluffed it time and time again with GM by making stupid rushed decisions for the sake of $$$$.